Hello everyone. I been casting some 175,and 200's. I have some starline brass on the way. I have lymans 47th handbook. it looks like it is atleast 8 years old. is the data obsolete? What is everyone using for you'r cast loads? BTW i am shooting a kimber in 10mm. Thanks in advance

Hello twopatch,
What mould are you using for the bullets? I need to ge me a 200 gr mould! How are you sizing and lubing?

I size with the Star sizer w/ home made heater and Rooster Labs Red ZAMBINI® Lube. Wheel weights and some linotype alloy.
I cast & load my Lyman 175 gr TCBB, COAL 1.250", CCI 300, with 10.2 gr Blue Dot for 10mm @ 1190 fps from the S&W 1006 5"/22lb recoil & 1055 fps from the G-29 factory 3.78" barrel/ 21 Wolff Recoil. No leading great accuracy, clean & consistant!

I use the same bullet with 8.4 gr Blue Dot in the 40S&W conversion barrels for thes pistols @ 1070-1090 fps great accuracy, clean & consistant also.

You could probably use the same 10.2 gr load with the 200 gr bullet also.

Shadow, Rcbs on the 200 mold. Rcbs sizer, Rcbs lube also. I will be sizeing, waterdroping,then lubeing.This is the first time making bullets, so we will see how it goes. That lino is hard to find. Thanks for the info!

RCBS 200gr, I believe it is the same SWC profile as the RCBS 175 gr mould which I do have, BTW, Actually I may send it it off to have it modified into a hollow point mould. Look at this link http://www.hollowpointmold.com/default.htm

I'll have to see...I sortof saving for another project.

Yes the lino is hard to be found and getting expensive also! It really helps the bullets fill out and adds strength.

I've been a printer for 20 years now. And I can tell you that linotype is no where to be found. Would't the 175 gn. drop down to 160-155? It seems to me the 200 gn mold,would be better for a hunting ,self defence bullet?

I think the 200 grain is better suited for defensive and hunting use deep penetration and tissue disruption. I use the Hornady 200XTP loaded with 10.5 grains of Blue Dot(Older stock Hercules in cardboard containers, the newer Alliant Blue Dot maybe more powerful) @ 1180-1200 fps to hunt and for self defense exclusively, these are fairly hot andI don't load them any hotter. Speer showed the 10.5 grain load as being used with their 200 gr FMJ COAL 1.250" from the Delta Elite 5" @ 1175 fps, my adverage is 1180 fps from my S&W 1006 5" with the Hornady 200XTP COAL of 1.260"(the XTP being Hollow Point are longer and occupy more casing space, this does increase pressures some.

I should have bought the Lyman 200 gr TCBB mould back when I got the 4 cavity 175 gr TCBB, they dont make it any more. They also don't make the Devastator hollow point mould 156 gr for 10mm/40 cal any more. I have shot these 156gr Devastator Hollow points and they were neat. I'd like to get the 200 gr style bullet mould as the Devastator Hollow cavity which should be about 180 gr finish weight.

Speaking of the newer Alliant Blue Dot I have yet to open my next 5lb jug but when I do I'll have to see if it is more powerful by weight! This is just an assumption given the Warning which came out about the 357mag and 41 mag and the reduction in load weights of the newer books. I don't know just how much of that was lawyers' intervention!

Let me know how you make out, I'll be looking forward to a range report!

This is why I like this forum.
There is so much practical information in these few posts that will keep me busy for a while.
I have been wanting to start casting for my 10mm and this should get me started.

Dave

I just picked up some new blue dot, Alliant says 12gr for a 155gr projectile, I got up to 10.0gr before I had signs of heavy pressure in my omega. Backed it off to 9.7gr, getting 1150fps. Never used blue dot before now, always Unique. And it has a visible visible muzzle flash at high noon.

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This post has been edited by gndchuck: April 30th 2009 4:31 PM

gndchuck, to 10mmTalk!

I'm am surprised that you had pressure signs with a 155gr projectile using only 10.0grains, I suppose that is why all loads should be worked up in a particular gun. Trying to get a handle on your situation...Is your Omega recoil spring stock? Were these 155 gr bullets cast or jacketed?

What sort of signs of heavy pressure were you seeing? Swollen bulged or split cases? Flattened primers? Sticky extractions or ripped ejection rims?

Was your Blue Dot from a newer plastic container? Which Lot #? The reason I'm looking at this is; the possibility of bad lot# of powder from Alliant.

I have loaded 10.2 grains of Blue Dot for years under the Lyman 175gr TCBB cast bullets @ 1150 fps, my Blue Dot is (Older Stock in the cardboard container by Hercules) recently I have shot 10.5 grains of this Blue Dot behind the Hornady 200 gr XTP's for velocities of 1180-1200 fps. I will soon be opening my new plastic jug of Alliant Blue Dot to make comparisons of power & velocities.

Best regards!

Sorry about that, 155gr jacketed xtp, new recoil spring. COAL 1.25". Had 2 split cases, second time reloading the cases, and flattened primers not quite smeared, at least you could still see where the firing pin hit. No extraction problems. Newer plastic container, lot 292. Works well in my 45 with 230 ball, max loads no pressure signs.

That's why I never load to what someone says on the net or in person that I don't know. Rarely ever shoot anyone else's reloads unless I know them well. Always, always work up loads in with new batches of powder. My brother has some of the older Blue Dot and he loads 11gr for his 10mm, no pressure signs. So I'm thinking that it might be a bit more powerful or little bit faster burning than the older stuff.

This post has been edited by gndchuck: April 30th 2009 6:59 PM

gndchuck, I appreciate you responding back. Had you ever tried your loads in his gun to see if there was any differences or vice versa?

I am sort of studing any situation which involves Blue Dot in particular. According to Alliant there were no changes to the products, but the warning was because of older data which was used for the 357mag & 125 gr and most of the 41 mag data. Blue Dot still remains one of my mainstay powders especially in 10mm & 40S&W. All my loads are tested in the S&W 1006 first and then tested from the G-29 with both factory and after market barrels. I am currently working on loads for the 9X25 Dillon with Blue Dot, Power Pistol & H110 with 121 gr .356" JHP.

Thank you

No this if the first time for me using Blue Dot. My brother has used it for years in 44 and 10. I've used some of his reloads and never had any pressure signs. I have an omega and a delta, I test each load for both guns. The delta showed the same signs as the omega. I'm curious to see the results that you get. If you get close to the same load that you've been using for years, then I'll contact Alliant to see what's up with my lot number.

thanks