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talk to me about .45 GAP
post September 24th 2006 1:29 AM
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That would be the one....
Why doesnt Glock update their website?


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post September 24th 2006 5:53 AM
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Its an answer looking for a question.


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If force is required, I'd say use an ASP or if it escalates a pistol. The only reason the taser is being used now is because beating someone with an ASP takes longer. People go get cameras and it ends up looking really bad on TV.
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post September 24th 2006 12:15 PM
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QUOTE (Box15C3 @ September 24th 2006 1:53 AM) *
Its an answer looking for a question.



Kinda like 357 SIG, right?

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post September 24th 2006 1:14 PM
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QUOTE (Box15C3 @ September 24th 2006 1:53 AM) *
Its an answer looking for a question.

I dunno about that...

Id say that an handgun, ie the .45 ACP Glock, that has a grip so large a normal sized male hand has trouble with it is a bit of a problem... GAP solved Glocks problem and subsequently got it already 1 state LEO contract and possibly a second.
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post September 24th 2006 1:25 PM
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QUOTE (Box15C3 @ September 24th 2006 12:53 AM) *
Its an answer looking for a question.

For me, yes.

If I were inclined to get a Glock, I'd want one in .45 ACP. But... I've got largish hands.


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post September 24th 2006 4:45 PM
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QUOTE (Janitor @ September 24th 2006 9:25 AM) *
For me, yes.

exactly! for you.

The push-up bra is the answer to a question, but not for you.... least I dont think so.... unsure.gif

animlol.gif just kidding man, just making a point.

So a LEO agency that trusts Glock and wants a larger round can now get a more powerful round that will require little crossover training and is usable for any hand-size.
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post September 24th 2006 5:10 PM
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QUOTE (captainbarred @ September 24th 2006 11:45 AM) *
animlol.gif just kidding man, just making a point.

And the same one I was trying to make too. smile.gif
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post September 24th 2006 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (JAYTEAM @ September 24th 2006 8:15 AM) *
Kinda like 357 SIG, right?

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Well lets look at this then. Here are most of the platforms offering the 357SIG:

* GLOCK 31 (Full-Size)
* GLOCK 32 (Compact)
* GLOCK 33 (Sub-Compact)
* SIG P226/P226R DAK (Full-Size)
* SIG P229 (Compact)
* SIG P239 (Sub-Compact)
* SIG SP2340 (Polymer Compact)
* SIG SP2022 (Polymer Compact)
* Springfield Armory XD 4 in (102 mm) "Service" (Compact)
* Springfield Armory XD 5 in (127 mm) "Tactical" (Full-Size)
* Heckler & Koch USPc (Compact)
* Heckler & Koch P2000 (Compact)
* Heckler & Koch P2000SK (Sub-Compact)
* STEYR M357 A-1 (Full-Size, Polymer with reinforced Steel frame)
* Smith & Wesson M&P (Full-Size)
* Walther P99 (with aftermarket barrel)


History:
SIGARMS, in partnership with Federal Cartridge, developed the 357 SIG cartridge in 1994. Georg Luger's logic was reversed in the development of this round; the 7.65 mm Luger bottlenecked cartridge evolved into a 9 mm Luger straight-necked cartridge; the 9 mm was then in 1994 placed into a bottlenecked case. The 357 SIG cartridge uses a bottlenecked .40 S&W case crimped to the 9 mm Luger bullet; this is why the 357 sig is not written as ".357", as it is not truly a .357 bullet but instead a standard 9 mm parabellum (.3550"). SIG shied away from calling its new cartridge a nine-millimeter-anything for fear of public rejection of the round. Instead, it was dubbed a "357" to generate public interest in the round and to highlight its purpose: to duplicate the performance of the original .357, except in a cartridge designed to be used expressly in an autoloader platform; until the 357 SIG, few autoloaders were chambered for .357 Magnum: the Desert Eagle and rare Coonan, for example. After the development of the 357 SIG, the .357 Magnum's performance could be harnessed within a small, powerful and concealable automatic package.

The goal of the 357 SIG project was to offer at least the level of performance of the famous .357 Magnum cartridge and +P/+P+ (overpressure and double-overpressure) 9 mm Luger loads. The 357 SIG arguably accomplishes this goal with a 125-grain (8.1 g) bullet. Anything heavier, however, shows the cartridge somewhat inadequate to the original Magnum. The recoil of the 357 SIG cartridge is strong, but not as harsh as full power 10 mm Auto loads or original .357 Magnum. Like the 10 mm auto, the 357 SIG can be down-loaded to reduce recoil, to the point where the "kick" is downgraded similar to that of a 9 mm Luger. Since the 357 SIG uses a standard Luger bullet, downloading it to this point would defeat the purpose of having the SIG cartridge in the first place, at least in terms of stopping power, as recoil AND ballistics would be identical to the lesser Parabellum cartridge.

Flash is definitely noticeable with standard loads, even when using longer barrels. Utilizing loads with specialized powders to reduce flash and experimenting with different bullet weights can rein flash levels to within desirable limits.


There is a list out there of several large PD's using the .357SIG. Including here in Ohio Union County SO.
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post September 24th 2006 11:12 PM
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I knew that would yank your chain. smile.gif

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post September 24th 2006 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (JAYTEAM @ September 24th 2006 7:12 PM) *
I knew that would yank your chain. smile.gif

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post September 25th 2006 12:40 AM
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QUOTE (Box15C3 @ September 24th 2006 7:04 PM) *
There is a list out there of several large PD's using the .357SIG. Including here in Ohio Union County SO.

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post September 25th 2006 12:46 AM
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American Rifleman knows everything and they said on an episode I just watched the the GAP is here to stay. I prefer to stay away.


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post September 25th 2006 1:15 PM
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IMHO, the 45 GAP was the wrong way to fix the gip size issue. Glock should redsign their grip to more like the M&P instead of making these bastiage, hybrid calibers. Don't get me wrong I love Glocks and carry a Glock 30 daily but the GAP is a the wrong solution.

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post September 25th 2006 3:06 PM
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QUOTE (Yojimbo @ September 25th 2006 8:15 AM) *
Don't get me long I love Glocks and carry a Glock 30.



I don't want to get you long.... smiley_smartass.gif



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post September 25th 2006 3:27 PM
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QUOTE (TigerStripe @ September 25th 2006 11:06 AM) *
I don't want to get you long.... smiley_smartass.gif
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post September 25th 2006 6:12 PM
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