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AR15 Armory.com _ Long Gun Gear and Accessories _ Any Input on These 2 Scope Deals
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 1:57 AM
Don't know much about either scope and at the same price point I'm really waffelling on what way to go, but with them a limited time deal I've just got to convince the Mrs we "need" a scope for the SPR and then spend the $$ from selling the upper on the scope 
1st scope is a http://swfa.com/Super-Sniper-Kit-P42152.aspx 
With the purchase of the Variable SS you will also receive the following items for FREE.
S.S.A.L.T mount with 1" inserts
SS-TAC Picatinny rail top
2.25" SS Sun Shade
Set of butler creek flip ups
Mil Dot Master
SS Ball cap
SS Khaki Koozie
and the 2nd scope is a http://www.natchezss.com/category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=NK8412 scope and they are both $599.........
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 2:08 AM
Crap, somehow put it in the wrong forum could somebody care to please move it 
Posted by: Sgtar15 September 1st 2009 2:31 AM
pics too small
Posted by: bruce September 1st 2009 2:31 AM
The SWFA package is a lot of features for the $$$s. I have heard a lot of good reviews of Super Sniper optics. I would give it a try.
Posted by: EvoPsych September 1st 2009 3:04 AM
No matter how you try to rationalize it...The SuperSniper is just renamed Tasco.
At the same price point the Nikon is by FAR the better deal.
In Fact that Nikon is about twice the scope as the DuperSniper.
You don't buy glass for the koozie that comes with it.
Posted by: jchtrh September 1st 2009 3:17 AM
Out of those two, I would go with the Nikon.
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 2:23 PM
I was under the impression somebody else was making them.
They seem to get strong reviews, but lately it seems SWFA;s customer service sucks.....
Posted by: Energizer September 1st 2009 4:58 PM
At the same price point the Nikon is by FAR the better deal.
In Fact that Nikon is about twice the scope as the DuperSniper.
You don't buy glass for the koozie that comes with it.
It used to be called the Tasco Super Sniper, til IIRC, SWFA bought the rights to it. Its a damn fine scope too. Who cares if Tasco makes it?
Posted by: oak1971 September 1st 2009 5:04 PM
Nikon. Every time.
Posted by: Sgtar15 September 1st 2009 5:35 PM
All I know about scopes is this: it is the GLASS that matters, not all the knobs and do-dads.
Posted by: TigerStripe September 1st 2009 5:50 PM
The SWFA link is dead. I tried doing a google and the links there didn't work. The Nikon seems to be more versatile. 2.5-10x44 beats 3-9x42, larger objective and more range of magnification adjustment.
TS
Posted by: Energizer September 1st 2009 6:01 PM
TS
Their links aren't dead. They are upgrading their site.
Please try back soon or call 1-972-SCOPE-IT (726-7348). We’ll be happy to assist you. Thank you for visiting.
Posted by: TigerStripe September 1st 2009 6:14 PM
Calling to look at the scope won't do too much good. So, for the intended purpose they are dead.
TS
Posted by: KENNYOHIOHUNTER September 1st 2009 6:49 PM
I own a couple of Nikon scopes and they are great optics for the money vs quality and would recommed them to anyone.
That being said, I used a Super Sniper 10X during some testing and evaluating the Pride Fowler Rapid Reticle 800-1 (which I highly recommend as well)and found it to be a truely good scope.
Since Tasco didn't get the Government contract they were going to give up on the Super Sniper series of scopes until SWFA bought the rights to that particular product. The problems they had with the grease hardening inside the windage/elevation turrets with the original SS have been fixed and they perforn flawlessly. They have some dang good glass in them as well. For the money they are a good optic.
Does everything in the picture come with the SS scope? If so that is one heck of a good price for the scope, mount, etc...
Posted by: EvoPsych September 1st 2009 7:11 PM
The problem with the SuperSniper is that it's a scope thats a generation behind the times. After 9-11 and as Afghanistan and Iraq started ginning up. There was an explosion of new tactical glass that hit the market.
The Super Sniper was a good deal in August of 2001, when it was one of the only affordable tactical long distance scopes in the game, But the game has changed and now in 2009 there are a dozen better, higher quality choices in play in the price range. The Nikon being one of the best of them.
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 8:23 PM
Dang, I need to stop waffelling and make up my mind here since I'm sure both deals ain't going to be around much longer..........
I am worse than a old lady at a quilting bee when it comes to internet purchases and take forever before finally pulling the trigger....
ACK>>>>>>>>>>> 
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 1st 2009 8:50 PM
Nikon hands down ! If you don't like it sell it for a small loss, you'll get most of your money back.
I used to buy and sell optics all the time. That way I was able hold, fondle, adjust and play with
them to make a better decision on what I liked best. Don't get ring marks on the tube and it's even
easier to sell one.
Personally, I have decided the Nikon Monarch series are the best bang-for-the-buck scope for me.
Good luck 
!
(Ever look in the bargain basement sales area on SWFA? )
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 9:03 PM
Yep all the time & am there now.......
I take it the Monarch X series scopes are some of Nikon's top of the line scopes.....
How do they stand up to bumps/bangs and return to zero?????
Posted by: EvoPsych September 1st 2009 9:09 PM
Frankly Rampy...You may be going for to high a powered glass for an 5,56 SPR. The reason people build SPR's is because it.s a dual purpose rifle. But then they often make the mistake of putting single purpose glass on it.
Honestly I'd think about spending another $75.00 and putting a 1.5x4x24 Trijicon on it.
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 9:20 PM
Honestly I'd think about spending another $75.00 and putting a 1.5x4x24 Trijicon on it.
I've got a DMS-1-4x24 on it now and it's not what I'm looking for as it peeters out past 200 yards.........The range I shoot at goes out to 600 yards with gongs & a pit and will be opening it up to 1K yards. Now I know that's to far for a 5.56, but I'm going to try anyway....
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 1st 2009 9:21 PM
It looks like the X series has the 95% light transmission, good stuff ! Another selling point for me in the Nikons is they consistently
seem to offer more eye relief.
Evo has a good point as well, I really like my http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Aahhyes68/AR%20Varieties/DSC09079.jpg?t=1251839635 on my Armalite middy with 12" DD rail.
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 9:22 PM
http://www.nikonhunting.com/riflescopes-monarch-x-monarch-x-25-10x44.html
Looks like a good scope to me...
Posted by: Rampy September 1st 2009 9:25 PM
seem to offer more eye relief.
Evo has a good point as well, I really like my http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Aahhyes68/AR%20Varieties/DSC09079.jpg?t=1251839635 on my Armalite middy with 12" DD rail.
That's a really sweet looking AR ya have there
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 1st 2009 9:46 PM
I just saw your rifle pic, mine looks similiar to yours, great taste Rampy
!!Shooting out to 1K I would look at the 4.5-14 series, of course that's just me.
The Sightron II & III series are also very good for the money, but the resale isn't there (not popular enough).
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 4:45 AM
The Sightron II & III series are also very good for the money, but the resale isn't there (not popular enough).
Was looking for a scope around the 2.5-10 power range (don't really like the 3x9 scopes) so the AR can be used close in and distance as well, trying to take the AR and make it a multi tasking AR instead of a single purpose AR if ya know what I mean.
have a 10 power scope on the 308 PSS and it works fine at 600 yards, but will be pushing it at 1k yards.
Would love to have a nightforce scope, but can't justify that cost......
Posted by: glock10mmman September 2nd 2009 6:13 AM
You and me both
Try the Leupold Mark 4, Mark 2 and Mark AR line. The Mark AR line is more in the price range of the SS's
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 6:50 AM
Try the Leupold Mark 4, Mark 2 and Mark AR line. The Mark AR line is more in the price range of the SS's
Have also been looking at the Leupold MK4 MR/T with the SPR reticle but not sure if I'd want the 1.5-5 or the 2.5-8 one.
http://www2.leupold.com/products/reticles_SPR.htm
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-4-mrt-riflescopes/
The original Army SPR used a NightForce 2.5-10, but the Marines have a SAM-R rifle with Leupold's Mark 4 MR/T 3-9x 36mm scope.....
ARGH, how I hate buying stuff over the web when ya can't feel/play/fondle it up close and personal.......
Posted by: Energizer September 2nd 2009 1:14 PM
I need some practice, but I was hitting hog-size targets at about 350-450 meters and penetrating steel with 5.56 using an ACOG TA31F last Saturday.
Posted by: EvoPsych September 2nd 2009 4:08 PM
Have you used a scope with side parallax adjustment like the Nixon has, before Rampy? I think your about my age and I promise you. Once you hit 40 and your eyes head toward "need bi-focals" territory. That side parallax adjustment will make you want to throw rocks at that SuperSniper.
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 5:52 PM
Nope have never seen a scope up close and in person with the "side parallax adjustment" and I'm closer to 50 than 40 & wear bifocals.....
That's another reason I'm looking for stronger magnification, my old eyes ain't what they once were and they ain't getting any better.....
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 6:06 PM
Been reading good stuff about the Millett TRS-1 4x16x50 scope & so far I've not had a bit of trouble with the Millett DMS....
http://www.millettsights.com/controller.php/cat09/trs
http://www.tacticalcoordination.com/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=84&osCsid=db1f37b8f2cdd65a2a63b5f38572395e
Posted by: KENNYOHIOHUNTER September 2nd 2009 8:38 PM
Dang bro, you better buy something before you drive yourself nuts!!!
Posted by: EvoPsych September 2nd 2009 9:33 PM
All I know is that the Millett's are made by Hako and that they are the same scope that used to be the Springfield Armory branded scopes a few years back.
While lots of the scope purist, glass snobs will turn up their nose at Hako. I always thought they were a pretty good deal for the money. I think I'd get the non illuminated model as the illuminated plex on the higher powered Hako scopes ( 3x9 and above ) is kind of cheesy and to large when illuminated to really be useful.
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 9:40 PM
Tell me about it, this has been going on how long now & when it's getting narrowed down and I'm about ready to buy something else jumps up and kicks me in the ball sack.....
Sigh...........must not go back to the sniper forums.......head hurts.......
Posted by: EvoPsych September 2nd 2009 9:48 PM
Out of all of "em I still think the Nikon's the best choice.
Posted by: EvoPsych September 2nd 2009 9:51 PM
The only difference between that Nikon and that Nightforce you were talking about earlier is an additional $1000.00 and a tacticooler sounding name.
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 11:55 PM
And it's the most expensive....
I'm not a door kicker or a high speed shooter, but a fat old fart who wants to kill eggs at 100 yards, cans of shaving creme at 200 yards & 20oz pop bottles at 300 yards......
Posted by: Rampy September 2nd 2009 11:58 PM
Ahh, I'm sure the glass and quality of construction plays a big part, but they are not worth it to me...
Have been looking at the Monarch X 4-16x50 but it's quite a bit more expensive and way over my budget........
Posted by: EvoPsych September 3rd 2009 2:04 AM
Hmmmm...Ok. Let me think about what I'd do in cheap bastiage mode in the current market. It'd be hard to beat those Milletts on the low end of $500.00.
Burris makes some pretty decent lower priced scopes.
How much do you ACTUALLY want to spend?
Posted by: Rampy September 3rd 2009 3:38 AM
Burris makes some pretty decent lower priced scopes.
How much do you ACTUALLY want to spend?
Ahhh, that's the issue, according to the checkbook (Mrs Rampy) can't spend anything & I've got to "justify" the scope to the checkbook somehow....I know to get quality ya have to, thus the rub, I'm a gear whore and have a hard time settling for anything other than the best & thus want quality but at a cheap price....
http://www.bigrivertactical.com/Millett_Scopes.html has the Millett TRS-1 4-16X50 Illuminated Mil Dot for $299.95 and that will be much easier for the checkbook to swallow than a $600 scope, but the scope needs to be able to take some abuse and maintain a zero......
Posted by: glock10mmman September 3rd 2009 5:17 AM
http://www.bigrivertactical.com/Millett_Scopes.html has the Millett TRS-1 4-16X50 Illuminated Mil Dot for $299.95 and that will be much easier for the checkbook to swallow than a $600 scope, but the scope needs to be able to take some abuse and maintain a zero......
Rampy,
Millet scopes are getting great reviews over at snipershide.com Guys love it and have abused the shat out of them too. I hate that funky ass big knob for the side focus so I have been sticking with the Super Sniper scopes. I had a 20 and 16 fixed, but traded my 6.8 with the 16 on it so Im down to one. 275-300 bucks aint to bad.
Posted by: Rampy September 3rd 2009 6:50 AM
Millet scopes are getting great reviews over at snipershide.com Guys love it and have abused the shat out of them too. I hate that funky ass big knob for the side focus so I have been sticking with the Super Sniper scopes. I had a 20 and 16 fixed, but traded my 6.8 with the 16 on it so Im down to one. 275-300 bucks aint to bad.
Yep, been spending quite some time at snipers hide as well as at sniper's paradise and another long range forum lurking and learning, have sent a couple vendors e-mails asking about scopes & am waiting for a reply. Never realized exactly what all went into a commercial long distance shooters bag of tricks, dang impressive if you ask me!!!
Think I'm going to order the Millett TRS-1 4-16X50 or at least that's the way I'm teetering as of right now....
Posted by: Rampy September 10th 2009 12:27 AM
Found out Millett is made in China and has problems with QC & it's a crap shoot if you get a good one or not.........
Also found a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm Tactical Mil Dot reticle - Matte finish - Side parallax adjustment - Tactical turrets - One-piece 30mm tube - Rainguard - Fully multi-coated optics - Fingertip, audible & resettable adjustment - Elite Bullet-Proof Warranty for $599
Now I'm waffelling between the Nikon and the Bushnell & am thinking about going with the Bushy as it's a 2.5x16 power....
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 12th 2009 2:01 AM
Also found a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm Tactical Mil Dot reticle - Matte finish - Side parallax adjustment - Tactical turrets - One-piece 30mm tube - Rainguard - Fully multi-coated optics - Fingertip, audible & resettable adjustment - Elite Bullet-Proof Warranty for $599
Now I'm waffelling between the Nikon and the Bushnell & am thinking about going with the Bushy as it's a 2.5x16 power....
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUSHNELL-ELITE-6500-2-5-16X42-SCOPE-MILDOT-652164T-NEW_W0QQitemZ360188378840QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dce67ed8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
I own a 3-9x40 3200 on a 10/22 and it's a great scope. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy a new 6500 but haven't heard alot about them, but I'm out of the loop.
Posted by: Rampy September 12th 2009 3:27 AM
I own a 3-9x40 3200 on a 10/22 and it's a great scope. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy a new 6500 but haven't heard alot about them, but I'm out of the loop.
Dat's a good price
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 12th 2009 12:14 PM
I can't find the % of light transmission on the Bushnell's ? Have you seen it listed anywhere ?
Posted by: Gmountain September 12th 2009 12:19 PM
I have two 3200's and one 4200 and they are fantastic scopes. The Rainguard is terrific-works as advertised. The 4200 series has 95% light transmission. I would expect the 6500 to be as good or better. These scopes are made in Japan, not China and are as good as anything on the market, believe me.
Posted by: 762precision September 13th 2009 6:36 AM
Honestly I'd think about spending another $75.00 and putting a 1.5x4x24 Trijicon on it.
A 2.5-10x optic is perfect for that type of weapon. It is good for 1000 meter shots, yet can be used as quickly or quicker than an ACOG for CQB. A fixed 10x scope is a single-purpose optic, as is a reflex sight, and an ACOG is not far from it. A 2.5-10x optic makes a great dual-purpose optic.
I have also been impressed with some of the current Burris optics as well. Nikons used to be a little on and off with glass qualtity - I think two different manufactures maybe, but I have heard they are much better in the last few years. Have not used one lately. I guess most optics have gotten better in the last 10 years or so.
Posted by: Rampy September 13th 2009 6:56 PM
I have also been impressed with some of the current Burris optics as well. Nikons used to be a little on and off with glass qualtity - I think two different manufactures maybe, but I have heard they are much better in the last few years. Have not used one lately. I guess most optics have gotten better in the last 10 years or so.
Have also been looking at the 3X12Burris Xtreme Tactical but don't know if they are worth the extra price....
Posted by: 762precision September 14th 2009 4:10 AM
It would be easy for me to recommend expensive scopes, because most are good, but let's face it - most of us have multiple firearms and we have to compromise with what we can afford. Families to feed, mortgages, etc. all have priority. Fortunately we don't get the "You stupid moron, you didn't get the $5,000 Loopyniteforzeisswunderscope," comments here like we see on other forums.
I am trying to set up a rifle for a goat hunt right now and trying to figure out how I will come up with the money for an optic.
My advice is to look at what you will be using it for and get what is comfortably affordable. There are now pretty good options at almost every price level. I have been very impressed with the SightMark Triple-Duty scopes, for example - I never would have expected to be able to recommend a scopes in their price range.
I am working on testing one of the http://www.hawkeoptics.com/us/riflescopes/hawkesr/index.php I am impressed so far, but need to do a bit more testing (like mounting it on a rifle and shooting with it might be good .) I should have a chance to shoot with it this week. They shipped it the same day I ordered it. The http://www.hawkeoptics.com/us/brc/index.php is incredible - download it and play with it, it is cool. It is only available for PC, so I have to run it in Parallels, unfortunately. It makes a range chart for the reticle, and even a round one you can print, cutout, and put in your flip-up scope cover. I will post the review. After this I need to test one of their higher-end Japanese-built optics.
You should have a look at what Hawke has to offer. Their margins are good, so if you want one, I should be able do a pretty good price, or your local dealer should have no problem setting up an account.
Thanks,
Dylan
Posted by: glock10mmman September 15th 2009 7:48 AM
I am trying to set up a rifle for a goat hunt right now and trying to figure out how I will come up with the money for an optic.
My advice is to look at what you will be using it for and get what is comfortably affordable. There are now pretty good options at almost every price level. I have been very impressed with the SightMark Triple-Duty scopes, for example - I never would have expected to be able to recommend a scopes in their price range.
I am working on testing one of the http://www.hawkeoptics.com/us/riflescopes/hawkesr/index.php I am impressed so far, but need to do a bit more testing (like mounting it on a rifle and shooting with it might be good
.) I should have a chance to shoot with it this week. They shipped it the same day I ordered it. The http://www.hawkeoptics.com/us/brc/index.php is incredible - download it and play with it, it is cool. It is only available for PC, so I have to run it in Parallels, unfortunately. It makes a range chart for the reticle, and even a round one you can print, cutout, and put in your flip-up scope cover. I will post the review. After this I need to test one of their higher-end Japanese-built optics.You should have a look at what Hawke has to offer. Their margins are good, so if you want one, I should be able do a pretty good price, or your local dealer should have no problem setting up an account.
Thanks,
Dylan
Dylan,
I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference.
Posted by: 762precision September 15th 2009 8:38 PM
I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference.
I agree. I had them send me the front focus because I am testing this one on a K31 rifle with clamp-on scope mount and a side focus knob could interfere with ejection. It also sort of requires no larger than a 1" tube and about a 40 mm objective at the largest. The next Hawke optic I test will be a Japanese-made one with side focus, illuminated reticle, and 30mm tube.
Posted by: KENNYOHIOHUNTER September 15th 2009 8:57 PM
I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference.
I would like to know more about this scope as well. Some of the prices are pretty darn low considering the options that are available. I like the looks of a couple of different scopes in their line up.
I have never heard of them before, how did you find out about this company?
Posted by: 762precision September 16th 2009 1:50 AM
I have never heard of them before, how did you find out about this company?
Read a review in a sniper publication and called the company. They are not new - they are a popular European company, but somewhat new in the American market. They have a reticle designed for shotgun and black powder coming out this fall that should be pretty cool. They are easy to talk to and have excellent terms for dealers. I'll post reviews.
Posted by: KENNYOHIOHUNTER September 16th 2009 2:05 AM
Thanks for the information 762. I like optics, I do not claim to any type of expert but I do like learning about these things. From what I have seen they appear to be a well built optic with multiple options for various shooting needs.
Do you happen to know if they build any first focal plane optics, I saw no mention of any on their site.
Sorry Rampy, I do not wish to hi-jack your thread or get off of your subject but this is good food for thought on optic choices.
Posted by: BadKarma September 16th 2009 2:19 AM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/zeiss-3-9x40mm-conquest-rifle-scope-with-z-plex-reticle1.html
Alot of features here. Crystal clear glass etched cross hairs.
Posted by: Rampy September 16th 2009 2:53 AM
No problemo at all, the hijack has been good & Rampy is learning more aboout optics..
Posted by: 762precision September 16th 2009 4:58 AM
Do you happen to know if they build any first focal plane optics, I saw no mention of any on their site.
No FFP optics. Their philosophy is that you can get adjust how your reticle lines up with the particular bullet's trajectory by changing power, so you could carry a chart for trajectory at 10x and another for 18x. For another cartridge, optimal use of the reticle may be at 12x. I can see their point, but until I spend a bit of time with it, I can't tell you whether I would prefer a FFP optic over this. I will have screen shots to explain this more clearly when I do put the review together.
I have a reticle design that I would like to have someone implement. I may approach these guys about it. I would want it to be A FFP optic, or the reticle would be too hard to use.
Badkarma, why z-plex over a mildot reticle? I like the Zeiss optics. A lot.
Posted by: Ithaqua September 17th 2009 5:47 AM
I just got the Super Sniper scope-deal-combo-extravaganza-package today. Its really nice I think that the mount is just a renamed Burris PEPR (whatever). Clear image nice strong scope, Mr. UPS dropped it down the van stairs, it still works no problems. Now I just need to order the (TAN) Tango Down Bipod and the (TAN) SOPMOD.
Kadin
Posted by: Rampy September 17th 2009 6:15 AM
Kadin
Why did you decide to go with that package??
I've all but decided on the Bushnell 6500 2.5-16X42 mildot scope(wish it was a 44 instead of the 42) , but must admit the package deal you got also looks rather attractive & I've been reading some really good reviews about the new 3x9 SS scope by some rather knowledgeable glass guys....
Posted by: KENNYOHIOHUNTER September 17th 2009 12:33 PM
Kadin
I have said it more than once and i am sure that i will say it again, the Super Sniper series of scopes are good. They are not on par with Nightforce or IOR or any of the big high dollar stuff but for the price they are fantastic optics with good glass and extremely reliable functions. I plan on getting a couple of them in the future for various builds.
I prefer a higher quality optic but sometimes the cost factor dictates what I buy. I like Leupold and Nikon quite well and one of my new favorites is Pride Fowler. PF scopes are more affordable as far as out of pocket expense but they do not cut corners on quality in their scopes, they are fantastic and I will own many more of their products as well.
In reality if cost is an issue for optic choice during a gun building project we would probably be better served to buy a lesser expensive barrel,action, etc... and put more money towards a higher quality scope. Just my opinion.
Posted by: Rampy September 17th 2009 3:46 PM
I prefer a higher quality optic but sometimes the cost factor dictates what I buy. I like Leupold and Nikon quite well and one of my new favorites is Pride Fowler. PF scopes are more affordable as far as out of pocket expense but they do not cut corners on quality in their scopes, they are fantastic and I will own many more of their products as well.
In reality if cost is an issue for optic choice during a gun building project we would probably be better served to buy a lesser expensive barrel,action, etc... and put more money towards a higher quality scope. Just my opinion.
From what I've been reading SWFA's SS scopes are made in Japan (not by Tasco) and have glass comparable to IOR's and better quality control and customer service..Optic clarity is better than Leupold and they are quite a bit better than the Leupold AR line of scopes and some say dollar for dollar better than some scopes in the MK 4 line...But they are not comparable to NF.
Ugh....wish I could see one 1st hand up close and in person instead of just reading aboout em.....
Posted by: Ithaqua September 17th 2009 8:49 PM
The SS scopes are made in Japan says so on the bottom of it. They have fantastic glass, have to say though that its hard to beat the SS package deal. I've been playing with the optic around my house and it is clear. The clicks are noticeable when adjusting bullet impact point. I'm just happy as a school kid. I also went with this scope because when you buy a Nikon you are paying a little extra for those gold letters. We have had multiple Nikon and Leupold this and that I can't see a difference between this $600 and some of the $800+ optics out there. Don't hate SS anymore SWFA bought it no more Tasco in SS.
Kadin
Posted by: Rampy September 19th 2009 10:19 AM
Well, I finally settled on a scope & ordered it not long ago....... 
It was a long drawn out process that's spanned quite a few months....
Here's a big 
to everybody that had input on the scope
Hopefully they ship Satturday, but if not she should hopefully still get here sometime next week 
Posted by: Aahhyes68 September 21st 2009 6:53 PM
So what gives.... Ya' gonna' keep it a secret
??You can tell us
Posted by: Rampy September 23rd 2009 3:47 PM
SWFA said that Bushnell will warranty the SS line of scopes for what that's worth....
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