You got to your bug out location (out of necessity, ie something is going on that made you have to bug out in the first place) and when you arrive you discover that someone (or group of someones) have squatted/dug-in there? I mean, we're talking, this is your property/land/structure/goods/materials/etc. How would you deal with that?

If they were peaceful/non-combative/not aggressive and just needed a place to hide, would you let 'em stay or send 'em hiking.

What if they ransacked your supplies (maybe had been there a couple of days)?

Okay, and the big one, what if they decided they weren't going to leave, or they weren't going to let you have your location back? (A real problem if you have ammo, or worse, weapons stored at said location).


I just got to thinking about this as a friend of mine and I were discussing how people would break into his hunting cabin and use stuff and not restock it. He said he doesn't always mind others using it as long as they leave it as they found it and don't use up all his stuff. Just got me to thinking......

If they were peaceful, SEND THEM PACKING. You made the preparations for YOU AND YOURS.

hopefully, you've stashed your weapons/ammo well enough for people not to openly find them, In that case you DO travel with a CCW in the first place....

First thing. Set up my shooting position. Cover and concealment. Staying out of sight, get their attention and give them the chance to leave, with nothing but the clothes on their backs. If they don't leave, execute them. Quickly.

Now, if they are smart enough, you will never make it to your stronghold. Or they will be fully aware of your presence before you know they are there. So you will have to be in full CYA mode.

You can also leave a note/tablet/message for anyone who has attempted to acquire your location. "If you are here when I get here, there will be no negotiations. You will be shot on site, cooked, canned and fed to the dogs."

If I know you, that is one thing. Otherwise, my family comes first.

Agreed. That stuff was put there for me and mine. And if I were storing arms and ammunition at said BOL, they would be in a safe, and the safe would be as out of sight as possible. I would imagine that I would travelling to said location with most of my primary arms/ammunition anyway, the BOL armory would be as a reserve store, or at worst the primary in the event I had to BO without the opportunity to go home first (leaving from work for example).



Very good points. (And I agree).

Thats a tough one. I guess it would depend on how the ppl occupying my shelter acted. If decent I would try to help them and send them on there way. If belligerent or combative then they would be sent packing one way or the other.

Let's see........
They're in my BOL, eating up my food, using up the supplies I have stashed away for me and my family?
They would be given one opportunity to vacate with nothing that belongs to me. If they wanted to argue, they would most likely be leaving a few people behind.

Not the best idea. Put simply. I can be extremely nice and "helpful" to you as long as I need to gain your trust. Then after I have the ease of your trust, how ever temporary, I can kill you at my leisure, and take your things.

Now after a few years have past and things have calmed down to a reasonable state, trusting strangers will be a little easier. However never turn your back, and never give them anything. They can earn it, but never give anything.

remember this will be a bad time... sorry for their luck this is called survival.....do not approach.. observe from a distance for a period of time. discern habits make a plan to remove them as quickly and quietly as possible .22 comes to mind, or bow cull them seperatly if yopu can until all gone. this is not going to be a time to be a " nice" guy last means dead.. if you let them leave because they are "peaceful" they may get desperate and comeback, meet up with someone worse and bargin your location for their safety no telling better not to take that chance in the first place... if it gets to this point nice is done...you will have to do things that you never thought about having to do and execute this actions quickly without hesitation.

Good points. I would think also that depending on the "group" that was there, you would have to eliminate any and all of the "hunter/gatherers" (if you will) so that they do not come back and attempt to retake the place by the same means they were evicted by.

OK so I've been mulling this over a little.

1. If I wait long enough for someone else to be at my point of refuge, I waited too long.
2. If I have properly prepared, they should have never made it to the front door, let alone inside.
3. How did they find it? I doubt anyone would just happen to come across most bug out locations.
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I am beginning to think that a small community might be better than a single family/person bug out location. The combined skills that would be present would much better suit everyone. I mean Joe Neighbor may be the best butcher in town, and be able to make the very best home made jerky, but couldn't kill any animal. Those who are not capable of "anything" can still wash clothes, and keep the fires lit. Most of us on this board could bring in enough meat to feed a small community, but do not have the canning knowledge it would require to keep vegetables, or dehydrate fruit. Does your BOL have a fireplace? Do you know how to build one so that your BOL doesn't burn down, or the stones used don't explode? (Unless you live in the south, you are going to need heat for the winter.) Maybe that is what Bill Neighbor does for a living.

Most of us are close to being able to completely survive without help. At least for a few months. But when the pre-canned food runs out, and it is the middle of winter, we might need help. After 6, 8, 10, 20 months of doing it alone, we might need help. At that point, just having outside human interaction will be a plus. And children just won't understand, probably up through high school ages, just won't get it. Primarily because they were not raised in that type of environment. It is easy to think, my kids are prepared. Take everything away from them for a week long camping/survival trip. But only take 2.5 days worth of food. "Loose" the GPS/get lost, and let the panic of no food and no way out set in. This will give you an idea of how prepared they really are. Kids that are raise without the "modern conveniences" don't know what they are living without. I mean, how many of us had cell phones 25 years ago? VS. how many kids have them in grade school at this time?

then after the clean up Quick slip out and watch area for several days if more than one shot is fired expect unwanted visitors to arrive remember that those who are laying seige have the advatange over those on the inside always unless there is an outside source of rescue...

the art of the bug-out.

that is a really tough call to make. im not a fan of people on my land to begin with and no-violent recourse would be the best option.

whats so wrong with incorporating some fail safes..
or a bug - out to the bug-out.

that just gets too complicated, and i honestly do not expect too many people in my region to bug-out. they are quite the sheep to
begin with.



anyone honestly think of this before in the orignal bug out plan?
the whole idea of the bugoutlair is to not draw attention.. if someone found it already and has ransacked your cache.. your pretty much at
square one all over again.


napalm/chaffe/foo gas, all work pretty well.

a good bug out location will have two stashes one located in or near the location well hidden with a few items left out for random scavangers and a secondary location burried out of sight of target location with enough food and water and first aid to take back said location......

I know i am a little late to the topic but, too me a good BOL would/ could be a well fortifed home with plenty of land ie: Very strong steel doors and shutters to prevnt entrence from unwanted visitors and or ammo coming at you. In that case you would not have to worry about someone getting in. the idea of in a community is nice, but that is alot of area to protect. Too me one lage home that could acomdate three or mabay four small familes would be better. Each adult learn a vital skill to bring to the table. Nothing beats lots of planning, pratice and communication.

I want to put steel doors and shutters on our place.

Flash bang?

Hurricane shutters!

To the OP's scenario:

Kill them all. No negotiations. No second thoughts. No Mr. Nice Guy. Kill them all quickly as possible, clean up as quickly as possible, and prepare for further incursions. Chances are other people know of your locale also.

If you let them go, they know where to find you, and what you have there. They will want it, especially when they get hungry, thirsty, and desperate. They may bring others back with them to take from you what you took back from them. Bad situation to be in. Kill 'em all and let none escape. That's the only way to keep things under control. If it comes down to you & your family's survival versus the unwanted 'guests' - which is more important to you?

That's really not a good plan even with some EOTWAWKI scenario, no chance of society being restored, and you then hung for the effort.

You may not have a choice but do that but with no intelligence you may have just started a blood feud and in blood feuds their kin will blow you away from across the valley and you never hear the shot that took you out.

No matter what we end up doing gathering some intelligence of what we are up against and future potential problems is key to handling this situation the best we can. Reacting without that intelligence we don't know if we got them all, they are expecting others, the local sherrif and city council put them there, they're part of a larger organized force, or even if their brothers are in the next house down the road.

Besides killing Big Bubba to find out he's got a wife and two little kids in diapers can be quite disturbing.

The guy who survives seldom is his only strength the fastest gun but always the fastest mind.

Tj

I'd rather risk the blood feud, than sending someone away knowing what i've got and coming back with friends. Eliminating the squatters and dealing with whoever might come looking for them would be easier and safer than sending them away with the knowledge that there's supplies and shelter at XYZ place. With the squatters most likely being completely unknown strangers - I would never trust them to NOT kill me & my family at their first opportunity.

Recon the place would be smart, but there's really no other choice than to kill them all if it comes down to saving me & my loved ones instead of them.