I just got a 4" Ruger Redhawk and I would like to get a 44spl load for personal defense. I like DT for my 10mm but when I checked the website there's no listing for 44spl, why not. I would love to see a DT load with the Barnes X bullett. But in the mean time is there a DT 44mag load light enough for personal defense. If not, then can you guys recommend a good special or light mag for me. Thanks

I carry a 1991, 3" barreled, Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 S&W Special. This is my EDC revolver. In this piece I carry the CCI-Speer 200-grain Gold Dot Hollow Point load. I believe if you shoot this in your Redhawk, you will not find it wanting for performance, nor overbearing. You do NOT need "near magnum" performance loads in this revolver cartridge to achieve the desired results. The GDHP opens quickly and positively, cutting a nasty wound channel and delivering an "energy profile" quite similar tho that of a .45 ACP. The recoil is moderate, and shot placement will be even easier than from a .45 Auto. There are real reason that Law Enforcement officers carried the "'ol .44 Special" for many years! Modern loads have improved the .44 S&W Special's performance in recent times!

Try it... You'll like it!

Scott

This post has been edited by gunfan: October 7th 2007 5:32 AM

Thanks for the advice Scott. So I take it your my assigned question answerer on this board. I haven't asked many questions but I think your the only one who ever answers me.

If I have experience, I'll impart information. If I need it, I'll ask. "There are no foolish questions... Only those that go unasked!" I truly believe that. There are more informed people on this board. Perhaps either they have either been away, or too busy. I am just a man that was raised by a U. D.T Navy Frogman, (S.E.A.L.s before there were S.E.A.L.s.) A veteran of WWII and Korean wars as well as a Member of the Navy Rifle Team. I, humbly, "learned at his knee." (God rest his heroic soul.)

God put us on this earth to love one another and help where we can. Its just that simple. It is my pleasure. I can do no less.

Scott

Hey Scott, I was just scrolling thru the threads here and discovered that you posted the same question as I did, 4 months ago. My guess is that we have our answer- Mike's not going to make 44 spl ammo anytime soon. I noticed that CorBon has a 200gr. DPX load in 44 spl. I'm going to give it a try. The guys at gunblast.com recommended the regular CorBon 165gr JHP so I'll order some of that as well.
I'm going to the gunshop on Tuesday. I'll see if I can find the Gold Dot's. Have you tried the Gold Dot ammo from Georgia-Arms?

No, Greg. I can't say that I have. While I like much of what Georgia Arms has to offer, I have enough experience with the CCI-Speer Gold Dots to know what the ammunition will do, when shot through my Bulldog. The reason that I suggested the CCI-Speer loads for your Redhawk, is that the added inch of barrel, as well as the added weight of the "brute-strong" Ruger will likely make for a good "fight stopping" combination. I suggest that you have an "action job" performed on the Redhawk, and install a reduced-power mainspring from Wolff Gunsprings @ www.gunsprings.com. After this is done, you should extract the "fighting performance" that you seek, while retaining the controllability that will keep your shots consistently "on target."

Isn't that the whole point of this "exercise?" I thought so.

Scott

Scott, I'm sorry if I offended you. I appreciate your advice and will definitely be getting some Speer Gold Dots. I only asked about the Georgia Arms Gold Dot's wondering how they might compare to the Speers. I personally enjoy shooting various ammo's in my guns to see how they compare with each other for accuracy, recoil, etc. I usually get action jobs done on all my revolvers. Although, the trigger pull on this Redhawk is about the best I've felt on an out of the box revolver, second only to my Dad's Colt Python. I'm thinking I might wait until I've put at least a few hundred rounds through it to see how it breaks in, before I take it to the smith. Greg

Mea Culpa, Greg. No offense taken. If you feel that the Redhawk's action is just fine, I, for one, wouldn't change a thing. If, however, you'd like a slightly "lighter" double-action feel, the 'reduced power' mainspring from Wolff will reduce the time between shots during your double tap drills. The ONY reason that I am so adamant about CCI-Speer's Gold Dot Hollow Point loads, is the speed for the projectile when it leaves your 4" pipe. It should be fast enough to expand, while enhancing your accuracy through controllability. If you can hit the BG with 6 out of 6, 200-grain .429" projectiles between 830-875 fps, you will reach your goal of "stopping power" RIGHT NOW!

Here's CCI-Speer's Gold Dot Hollow Point ballistics page:

Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
875 832 794 340 308 280

These act as very much as a "slightly smaller" .45 ACP, but larger than the .40 S&W. These "moderate" loads are quite effective, while not yielding much muzzle flash or recoil. With the weight of your Redhawk, and the assistance of a lighter mainspring, you can double tap 3 times before the bad guy knows what happened. (If he lives to tell of it.)

Experiment all you want. I encourage it. Shoot what works best for YOU! (Remeber: You're betting YOUR life upon the outcome!)

Scott

This post has been edited by gunfan: October 10th 2007 8:26 AM

Hey good news Scott. I went to the gun store today and the only 44spl ammo they had was 3 boxes of 200gn Gold Dots. One box was marked $25.95 the other two were marked $28.95. They offered to sell me all of them for the $25.95 price, so I got all three.
They also had 1 and only 1 box of 10mm in the store which was Winchester 175gn Silvertips for $21.95. I think that stuffs been there awhile considering the price. Have you tried the Silver tips? What do recommend as a good 10mm SD load?

The only reason that the Winchester Silvertip has been sitting around is because NO ONE ELSE HAS A 10MM! The Winchester Silvertips are fine self-defense ammunition. They DO "clock" in a bit slower than their published ballistics, but they'll accomplish the mission quite well. Remember: The Winchester Silvertip Hollow Point has been around since the early 1970's and has garnered a reputation of being both reliable and efficient in every caliber in which it has been chambered. WHile there may be better loads out there, the Winchester Silvertip Hollow Point aquits itself quite well.

If you are looking for a "one-size-fits-all" load for the 10mm, the 180-grain Double Tap Gold Dot loads are a median benchmark by which most others are judged. If you are seeking a "household" self-defense load, (read: one to be used inside a dwelling) You can use Double Tap's 135-grain Nosler load. This leaves a 4.6" barrel at 1600 fps, but generally won't overpenetrate many walls. If you wish to carry it in the city, but want a little deeper penetration, I would look to either Double Tap's 155 or 165 grain loads. These are full-power 10mm loads, made to pentrate more deeply with each increase in bullet weight. You "tailor" each selection for your carry scenario.

I hope that this answers your question(s).

Scott

My SW 696 (3" .44sp) is my fav trail/hiking gun. It's one of the few guns I simply will not sell. My EDCs on and off duty are usually a Glock 19, 22, or 20. The .44sp has a special appeal to me in that I carry it when on horseback.....the sixgun is easy and quick to shoot onehanded, and the caliber is such that it can quickly down an injured horse (I wouldn't trust my EDC 9/40 loads to do it well).

I shoot a lot of Hornady XTP (in several calibers). Hornady is very consistent and clean stuff, and usually priced well below other premium JHP rounds. www.natchezss.com usually has it in stock at a price well below the local shops. I wouldn't count on it to perform anywhere as well as a Gold Dot, Partition, or other higher-tech bullet.

My go-to load is, as aforementioned, the 200gr GDHP. I have boxes of the CCI stuff around and it's what I usually carry.

The Thunder Ranch 250gr KLSWC .44sp is a verrrry soft shooter, but has enough weight that it still penetrates VERY well. The only reason I don't shoot more of it is that I strongly dislike the smoke and potential health hazard associated with exposed lead.

I used to carry the Silvertip in .44sp, but my informal tests always show the Gold Dot to perform more consistently in a wide range of uses.

I've shot several packs of Glasers over the years ('Manhunter' is why I started shooting .44sp haha)....horrid flash and poor accuracy in my experience. The wound on live flesh is pretty gory, but only 6-8 inches deep--not enough for my taste.

My only trouble now is finding a SW396 that doesn't cost more than my AR

Thanks for the advice Mwinter. The general consensus between you and Scott and another forum I frequent is the 200 gr GD's. It's hard just to find any 44spl ammo around here, so I'm glad I was able to find 3 boxes of them to try.

Allow me to pay all concerned the compliment of being blunt. I believe that if Mike Mc Nett were to perfom his magic and arrange for a 200-grain GDHP to be driven from a 6 1/2" barreled revolver in .44 S&W Special at approximately 1100 fps, It would be the ultimate antipersonnel load for this respected cartridge. Not only would there be sufficient kinetic energy to ensure positive penetration and expasion, but the permanent crush cavity would make this round perform to modern standards without overpressuring (thus causing accelerated wear) to the modern .44 Special revolver.

This is MY personal dream when it comes to the .44 S&W Special cartridge. I am certain that it is also what Elmer Keith would have envisioned. Think of it. A "knock down, kick-@$$" .44 Special load that won't abuse either the handgun OR the shooter... What a concept!

Scott

This post has been edited by gunfan: October 13th 2007 4:25 AM

Without becomming intrusive, why would he do it? He makes no 38 special loads.

One reason I would say it because there wouldnt be as much of a need as for the 44 mag. Also why focus your time on making something that will never compete with its dad?


g10

But he does!


.38 Special +P 125gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP (LV) 50rds $24.95

This loading makes the .38 Special really perform like it should!
There is virtually no muzzle flash.
For those of you who carry a 38 Special, this is an excellent defensive load.
We us Speer's excellent Low Velocity Gold Dot Hollow Point bullet for maximum expansion!
In 10% ordinance gelatin with 4 layers of denim and two of light cotton:
12.75" penetration
.652" expansion

Velocity: 1175fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
1.875" bbl S&W - 1100fps
Bullet: Speer Gold Dot Low Velocity

Muzzle Energy: 383 ft. lbs. 4"
336 ft. lbs. 1.875"

Box of 50rds.

With all due respect.

Scott

Crap my bad

I didnt know he was offering them.

g10

Greg: I want you to read this article about the Charter Arms Bulldog and interpolate the 800 fps velocity from the 2 1/2" barrel, and add about 37 fps for the extra 1 1/2" of tube. If you can get between an extra 34-40 fps (for a total of approximately 311 foot-pounds of energy) from your Ruger Redhawk while ensuring positive expansion from a .44 S&W Special load, what's NOT to like?!

JMHO,

Scott



Charter 2000’s Bulldog Shows Why Experts Liked .44 Special

by R.K. Campbell

Bulldog... ­fierce, powerful, pugnacious. The name fits.

More than 120 years ago, a number of revolvers appeared in England, designed for use by constables and armed citizens. These revolvers were short and relatively light but were chambered for big bore cartridges; hence the name, "Bulldog."

The .455 Webley and other short rounds were common chamberings. These calibers were not powerhouses, many of them breaking barely 700 feet-per-second (fps), but the bullet was usually over 200 grains and of .44- to .45-caliber. Bulldogs varied in quality but some were quite reliable and well made. Except for a number of Belgian copies of various ancestry, the gun died off in production after about 1900.

The American small pocket pistol was usually a .32 or .38, either a Smith & Wesson (S&W), Iver Johnson, or Harrington & Richardson. Various "Owl Head" or inexpensive revolvers were carried in coat pockets. A handgun that never saw the light of day was a variation of Smith & Wesson's original Safety Hammerless revolver. Similar to the smaller guns, this revolver was chambered for the .44 S&W American cartridge. This would have been quite a revolver in its day, superior to the other Bulldogs by a margin.

The concept languished for many years, with most users getting by with the .38 snub-nosed revolver. These guns were popular with those who never shot anyone with the 158-grain roundnose bullet. Then came Charter Arms. Charter came into being as a start up company during the Vietnam War.

The Undercover was introduced in 1965. Good guns were scarce and Charter recognized the opportunity for a viable product. The Charter Arms Undercover, a lightweight .38, was a rousing success for the company. The Undercover represented an innovative design which swept the marketplace in terms of new revolver manufacture.

This revolver eliminated the sideplate found on S&W and Colt revolvers. It used a type of modular construction with a solid steel frame that surrounded aluminum components. The Undercover is lighter than any other steel-frame revolver, weighing scant ounces more than S&W or Colt "Airweight" .38s. This construction is economical but strong.

A few years later the Ruger Security Six appeared with this same type of format, and the Dan Wesson revolver also based its operation upon this design. The Undercover also featured transfer bar ignition, rather than a hammer-mounted firing pin. The hammer strikes a frame-mounted firing pin, and when the hammer is at rest the transfer bar prevents the hammer from touching the firing pin.

Still Up to Date
The revolver was quite modern in design and execution. It is not dated today. As revolvers go, this is among the freshest designs available.

The original revolvers were produced in various calibers including: a 6-shot .32-caliber version; a .22; a .22 Magnum, and even a heavy barrel 5-shot .357 Magnum. But the real news was the .44 Special Bulldog. Introduced in 1971, the Bulldog caught the attention of the gun press and combat shooters alike. This gun was my father's favorite handgun by a margin, and one that saved his life. He once put five .44s-from his Bulldog-into a car door at a long 25 yards, stopping the adversary's rifle fire.

The Bulldog .44 weighed 19 ounces and was manufactured on the lines of the Undercover. The frame was larger to accommodate the .44 Special cartridge, and the gun resembled the .38 with one exception. The Bulldog was fitted with larger walnut grips as a matter of course. The gun worked well enough, and was accurate. There were a few drawbacks, but none were insurmountable.

The front sight was a separate piece in the original revolvers, and sometimes worked loose and was lost. The new guns have a one piece barrel with integral sight. Also, the early guns had an exposed ejector rod, the new gun has a shrouded ejector. A short blunt gun like this one may be used as a kosh in a jam, and this underlug barrel is superior in this regard. (I have been there and done that-nothing works quite as well as the 1911.)

Rubber Grips
I used the ejector rod to open the cylinder in my original Bulldog. The ejector rod could be pulled forward to unlock the cylinder. The thumb latch of my .44 had been removed because it cut my thumb when firing heavy loads! The new gun has rubber grips which fill the hand and absorb recoil well.

The original Bulldog had an assembly pin just in front of the trigger guard which invariably worked loose. I have never seen one completely fall out, but 50 rounds of .44 Special would work the pin loose. The new gun has a strongly-staked pin, neatly solving this problem.

The second drawback of the first Bulldog was ammunition. The 246-grain roundnose .44 Special is a mild, accurate load, but not very effective as a manstopper. My database indicates this loading is little more effective than the roundnose .38 Special. I rate the roundnose .38 as capable of stopping an opponent with a single shot about one time in four.

The .44 Special roundnose has the disadvantage of being almost 75 fps slower in most offerings! Plus, recoil often pulled the bullet from the case in this light revolver, tying the gun up. This never happened in Magnum revolvers firing .44 Special loads, but the big guns had very little recoil when firing the Special-the new Bulldog was not so docile.

The new hollowpoint loads, designed for the Bulldog and for use as defense loads in .44 Magnum revolvers, were loaded ridiculously slow, to around 750 fps, and were not particularly impressive in action. The situation is different now, but ammunition selection remains critical with the Bulldog.

New Production
My revolver is a new production from Charter 2000. This company builds revolvers upon the original template but with subtle modifications. Quality of manufacture is evident. Modern CNC machinery results in fine tolerances and good to excellent finish. My revolver weighed 22 ounces, with the extra weight over the original gun's 19 ounces being found in the barrel shroud and rubber grips. The barrel of the new gun is 2.5 inches versus 3.0 inches for the original.

The Bulldog is supplied with a plastic case and trigger lock. My example is finished in matte blue. The revolver is also available in stainless steel at a modest tariff. My choice of blue finish was predicated more upon nostalgia than practicality, but I do often prefer dull non-reflective blue firearms. My original Bulldog was hard-chromed by Checkmate Refinishing. This finish made the Bulldog far more attractive and lasted the lifetime of the gun-it shot loose and became inoperable long before the finish blemished!

After examining my new Bulldog, I tested the trigger action and found the double-action pull smooth. It was shorter than I remembered, and smoother than any previous production. Single-action compression was a crisp 3 pounds, just right for this type of revolver. I prefer maintaining the single-action option on a revolver that may be used in the field. The Bulldog would prove sufficiently accurate to make good use of this trigger action. The sights are a simple wide channel in the rear and a ramp front sight. They are good examples of the type.

Testing
I was anxious to test the revolver and collected a representative sampling of ammunition. My considerable experience with previous Bulldogs paid off. Bluntly, the gun will seldom produce acceptable accuracy with bullets that do not reach 800 fps. At 7 yards, a reasonable combat range, most factory offerings cut a single ragged hole, true, but at 15 yards they begin to unravel. At 25 yards, 5- and 6-inch groups were common.

On the other hand, with custom loads and my personal handloads, several groups of 2 inches or less were obtained at 25 yards. Yes, that is correct-the Bulldog is one heck of a field or trail gun. At close range, this is an anti-mugger gun or home defender with excellent qualities. But it can serve in a rugged hip holster on the trail.

The first question anyone asks about this gun concerns recoil. The gun kicks, no need to sugarcoat that one. Recoil is less than a .357 Magnum snub and muzzle report far less offensive. With the factory roundnose lead load or Winchester's Silvertip, the Bulldog kicks no more than a snub .38.

With the Cor-Bon 165-grain load, recoil is there, about like a +P .38 in an Airweight revolver. But here is a load that breaks well over 1,000 fps and offers a modern expanding bullet. There are tradeoffs, and heavy recoil for heavy effect is one of them. There is no free lunch in Bulldog revolvers! This load is more than accurate enough for general defense.

Another option is Triton's 180-grain JHP, using the Ranier JHP bullet. At this weight, velocity is in the 880 fps range, but there is some bullet upset and good accuracy. This load may be at it's best in a 4-inch barrel revolver, which would develop more velocity. Just the same, for those preferring a heavier JHP bullet, this load basically duplicates a 180-grain .40 S&W wound channel.

I fired a solid 50 rounds of cast SWC loads from Mastercast to begin my familiarization with the Bulldog. Results were good. I enjoy the boom and roll of a heavy revolver. The Bulldog produces that boom and roll and also makes nice clean big holes in the intended target-in this case a number of Law Enforcement Inc. silhouettes.

I found the gun not hard to control in double-action pairs, giving good control. At 7 yards, the sights were well regulated for 240-grain loads. At 15 yards, 165- and 180-grain loads, however, impacted up to 4° inches low. If the gun is dedicated to this bullet weight, it needs to have the front sight filed to bring the point-of-impact up.

I fired various self-defense loads from Winchester, Federal, Speer, Triton and Cor-Bon. The Federal 200-grain SWCHP has good velocity and was controllable. It should be a good compromise load. The Blazer 200-grain Gold Dot offered velocity over 800 fps and exhibited some expansion in wet newsprint. I think shot placement always carries the day, but the Gold Dot load is quite interesting.

Handloading is necessary to find a truly enjoyable, gilt-edged accuracy load for this gun. I enjoyed this handloading experiment. My RCBS dies were a little rusty from disuse but served well. I concentrated on Winchester 231, a powder I have had the best luck with in the past. Brass was a mix of Winchester and Remington, and all primers were Remington.

I have quite a few Winchester 240-grain .429-inch hollowpoints in the loading shack, available for bulk purchase from Midway. Carefully working up to 825 fps, I came across a number of stellar loads. Benchresting this light .44 is not on my top 10 things to do for fun, but I found the gun would group five shots into less than 3 inches, on demand, if I did my part, with several loadings.

I experimented with Leadhead's hardcast 250-grain SWCs-the original Keith bullet. At 790 fps, this load went into a very nice 2 inches on two occasions. The Speer 200-grain Gold Dot was consistent, but did not quite produce the results obtained with heavier bullets. I suspect the Bulldog might benefit from a faster bullet twist.

I also loaded a number of handloads with the Sierra 240-grain JHC, with good results. I worked up a medium heavy load with the Sierra bullet and Winchester 296 powder that really lit the range up at dusk-and produced 897 fps. In an emergency situation this load would take a deer with perfect shot placement. Recoil is sharp, as might be expected, but the slap is far more serious on the receiving end. I am certain 950 fps is not out of the question, perhaps 1,000 fps with cast bullets.

Thor's Hammer
Why all the wringing out with heavy handloads in such a light defense gun? This is a great trail gun, that's why, and my purpose was twofold. First, I wished to prove an accurate load that could serve well if I were in the situation of needing to take game under less than ideal situations. I am confident the Bulldog and one of the heavy bullet loads would down a deer at 25 yards under perfect conditions. As for small game, well, here is Thor's hammer to a marmot or javelina.

Second, I wished to see how the gun would hold up under heavy loads. In the past, the Bulldog was noted for shooting loose in 500 rounds or so. About the only folks who shot the Bulldog that much were handloaders, and some of their loads were pretty stout. Still, I had a loose Bulldog after less than 700 rounds myself.

When the gun first came out, Skeeter Skelton recommended a moderate charge of Unique for Bulldog use while Elmer Keith said to go with a heavy charge of #2400! Massad Ayoob tells us that if we choose a Bulldog for defense, we should invest in a second for practice. Well, let's face it, quite a few competitors have three 1911s-one spare, one in the shop, and one to shoot, but that is on 20,000 rounds a year or more. As in most things, moderation is the key. I will give reverence to Skelton and save the Elmer Keith Memorial loads for big frame guns!

After much load development and some massaging for sore wrists, I found a handful of loads that really shone in my Bulldog. All are adequate for defense but for top accuracy, load experimentation is demanded.

Is the cartridge worth the trouble? Yes, it is, and history bears this out. Big bore handguns produce larger wounds. These large wounds let out more blood and allow air to rush in. Frontal diameter and mass make for more tissue damage. With proper loads, the .44 Special falls somewhere between the .40 S&W and the .45 ACP in effectiveness. This is not bad territory. I would rather have the 240-grain .44-caliber SWC at moderate velocity than any .38 or 9mm load.

Leather
When carrying the Bulldog, I found a shortage of available leather gear. I was able to use a High Noon IWB to comfortably carry the beast. This holster was crafted for a 2-inch .38, but I was able to convince it to hold the .44. After a slight break in, it works fine-but I will no longer use it for the smaller .38. This shows how compact the .44 really is.

The .44 Bulldog is one of the few handgun types I have used to defend myself in critical action. The others include the Colt 1911 and the Star PD, a pistol very much in the theme of the Bulldog-short, light, and powerful.

The modern Bulldogs have superior fit, finish and accuracy compared to the original. The gun is as tight as new after 450 rounds. There is no loosening of parts, no degradation in accuracy, no barrel rotation, no increase in endshake in the cylinder, and no noticeable eccentric wear. It carries well, even without a holster, and offers the finest power-to-weight ratio of any short revolver.

The Charter Bulldog is a fine choice for personal defense. It is not for everyone, and I do not mean this as a slight. Anyone of normal strength can learn to control this handgun, but a moderate investment in time and ammunition on an ongoing basis is necessary. But the investment will pay off in tactical dividends.

Recoil and Loads
There are three forces in recoil. These are torque or the twisting of the gun in the hand, muzzle rise, and the jolting of the arm rearward. The Bulldog has all of these in spades. After all, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

One of the better choices for a defense load which increases effectiveness at lower velocities but performs well is the Saber Star from Northern Precision (129 S. James St., Dept. GWK, Carthage, NY 13619). I used the 215-grain bullet with Defender Core, a cross between the Glaser Safety slug and a wide mouth hollowpoint. Velocity was 890 fps with a stiff charge of Unique, and the effect on wet newsprint good.

After all of this loading, I had a new respect for the short .44. No wonder Mason Williams, George C. Nonte, Skeeter Skelton, and other writers found this gun so interesting three decades ago. But they did not have the bullet choices now available.

Sources

Charter 2000
273 Canal St.
Suite 179, Dept. GWK
Shelton, CT 06484

High Noon Holsters
PO Box 2138, Dept. GWK
Palm Harbor, FL 34682

Leadhead Cast Bullets
825 NW St., Dept. GWK
St. John, KS 67576


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"Is the cartridge worth the trouble? Yes, it is, and history bears this out. Big bore handguns produce larger wounds. These large wounds let out more blood and allow air to rush in. Frontal diameter and mass make for more tissue damage. With proper loads, the .44 Special falls somewhere between the .40 S&W and the .45 ACP in effectiveness. This is not bad territory. I would rather have the 240-grain .44-caliber SWC at moderate velocity than any .38 or 9mm load."


Does that put the "fighting" .44 S&W Special into perpective? I believe it does. Does it mean that a hotter load would be more "effective?" Perhaps not. If you push the GDHP much faster in the Special, you MAY obtain a bit better expansion, but striking large bones should accomplish this. Will it perform as well as CCI-Speer's famed .45 ACP "flying ahstray?" I think that it's an odds-on favorite to "get the job done."

Scott

This post has been edited by gunfan: October 15th 2007 7:51 PM

We will have a 44spl load using a 200gr Speer Gold Dot @ 950fps from the Charter Arms 2.5" revolver and 1050fps from a 4"tube within the next week.

Very cool and awesome news Mike! I'm really looking forward to trying it. Thanks! Now what'll I do with the 3 boxes of Speer GD's I just bought? Guess I'll have to do a comparison test. Any chance of you coming out with a 44sp load with the XPB bullet next?

This post has been edited by Greg F.: October 27th 2007 12:42 AM