1) not if their parents are responsible and teach them gun saftey at a young age or if they secure their firearms.

2)while true, many die as they have not taken the effort to arm/protect themselves...

3) see any war film such as braveheart, troy, king aurthur, 300, etc... ever hear of the crusades??? not to mention the MILLIONS of battles through the centuries.

4)No offense to him... but he was stupid. Doesn't matter WHO is holding the gun. its STILL you or them...

What is the matter with people gun control puts the guns in the hands of bad guys. Sorry her father died that but he should of shot the kid. She has to much wishfull thinking. Did your dad at least get some from her.

Concise and to the point. Excellent .

Craig

Seemingly today, pretty much everything we are passionate about (theology, human rights and yes, gun control) are done with some amount of emotion. We need to leave emotion out and present logical arguments.

The fact is, guns don't kill people. Guns are dispassionate, cold, inanimate objects by which terrible people do terrible things. Yes, sometimes they get in the hands of innocent people and they do careless things. They are also a tool which we use to defend ourselves from people who have so much emotion that they'll destroy themselves and every loved one you know. The only thing we need to do is educate people about proper storage and handling of firearms. The people of this forum are the model gun-owning citizens by which all other gun owners should be measured.

Quit arguing gun control and argue responsible gun ownership or don't argue at all. If you must, then don't forget to argue about all the lives our guns have saved.

-Michael

I personally wouldn't "laugh in her face", but thats just me. I think that someone else mentioned the fact that doing something like that just polarizes someone even more than they already were to begin with.

The woman's father was killed with someone who used a gun to commit the murder. Of course she is going to be reluctant to accept your argument. Ive been involved in discussions with people about guns in the past who have had similar experiences which shaped them into the same belief system. When they said that they lost a friend, relative, whatever to "gun violence", it is important that you acknowledge their loss and express sympathy for that loss. And dont acknowledge it by saying "Oh man, that sucks" or "Im sorry for your loss... BUT"

Take a time out from the discussion to say that you are sorry that they had to experience such a horrible tragedy. Then say that while your opinions may differ on guns, you probably share the same opinion as to penalties for misusing guns. Say that even though you adamantly oppose restrictions on LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, you are absolutely in favor of SEVERE penalties for those who misuse firearms.

At this point there is nothing you can do as to how the conversation went. it also sounded like perhaps your dad sided with her. He may not agree with her, but he probably sided with her. Not just cause he wants to get in her pants, but probably just because he thought you were disrespectful. If I were you I would try to smooth things out the next time you see her. Tell her that while the two of you have opposing view points, you respect her beliefs and ask her to respect yours and simply agree to disagree.

And now those "hippie chicks" are in the House of Representatives and one is called Maddam Speaker Pelosi! You see what that got us!

This women is dumber than a box of rocks.... let your ole man get a littel then dump her

This post has been edited by bigtee4: November 9th 2009 11:02 PM

nah man, he said the closest he ever got was holding her hand for 5 minutes walking into some detective function.

he was a cop...and its funny because he told one of the guys that he didnt bang her and no one believes him. they all think he did.

Well, as a good conservative who believes in the rights of americans as individuals thinks she is entitled to her opinion.

The big difference is that as a conservative I find that if she doesn't like guns she has the freedom to not buy one.
As a liberal she doesn't like guns and wants to keep everybody from owning them.

I as a conservative think she should be able to say what she wants as long as it doesn't directly endanger someone (yelling "Fire" in a movie theater would be an example of such endagering speech).
She as a liberal would like to confine speech to "politically correct", sanitized speech that provides no offense. (the Constitution never said there was a right to not be offended).


If she thinks guns are the source of all violence she needs to figure out how Caine killed Able.

I've been a gun owning, liberal, American since I was born. The right to bear arms IS a liberal view...some just forget how we got here.

antigunners do not, cannot, and will never accept anything remotely resembling logic. next time you talk to her ask her if they were to get their wish and all guns were banned, exactly how many criminals would turn their guns in??? answer...zero. How many criminals get their guns legally??? answer...not too darn many. How many law-abiding citizens know how to get guns on the black market? and sub criminals for law-abiding citizens in that last question. answer...not many and most if not all. what does this add up to? the citizenry being at the mercy of criminals. what a fabulous idea that is.

if they don't like guns...they dont have to buy them but we are citizens not serfs-in-waiting. its a shame about her dad its not the guns fault, it doesn't pull its own trigger, a person does that.

one more thing, how many people that were killed in the VA tech massacre would still be alive if one or two responsible citizens were carrying concealed weapons (which they could not be on campus)??? The same can apply to the major hasan jihad. law abiding gun owners are not the enemy, they are the best friend our society has left. but i know i'm preaching to the choir here.

I could never consider being with a girl that's anti-gun, henceforth I believe I will have to move to Texas to find a gf...lmao. I suppose the Crusades never happened, b/c there weren't guns involved...hmmm interesting thought process. Arguing with these people is like or maybe I do this when I start talking to any anti-gunner that comes out with those wacko statements.