what makes a street sweeper a DD?

its a 12 round 16inch semi auto shotgun.

i could buy a Saiga 12 gauge, and put a 20rnd drum on it, now i have a 16inch semi auto 20 rnd shot gun. if i went ahead and removed the stock, i could run a short barrel, thus having a TINY 20 rnd shot gun.. without a DD stamp.. so what gives?

M203's, i know some of you folks have one... i've seen LMT m203s going for around 2k. practice rounds anywhere from 10-300$ a piece.

whats the stamp cost for a DD, and where did you guys get your m203's and ammo...

also i saw a while back a 37 or so MM launcher, where do i find one, and do they require a stamp? where cani find ammo?

i have a chance to pick up a street sweeper, but the seller was a former dealer, and is un aware of the ATF nonsense ill be going thru, and thus can't tell me what to expect..

and m203's are just awesome..

I dont see the logic of the rule on Street Sweepers either. Just some bureaucrat nonsense.

a 16" shotgun barrel makes it AOW not DD. A 16" shotgun barrel with a pistol grip and no stock is also AOW unless the barrel is rifled and it was originally made as a pistol, then it is a pistol.

This post has been edited by MontanaLon: October 7th 2009 3:35 AM

Shotguns have to have atleast an 18 in bbl unless its rifled, then you can get away with 16.

Street Sweepers are a special case all to their own. A Street Sweeper is a DD, not an AOW or SBS. The looks of it and the huge (fake) explosions they made on movies made them especially evil and so they were specially classified as a DD when they should be an AOW. I know a guy who had to get rid of one.


TS

I know a guy who lost one in a tragic boating accident. So sad.

I hate to hear that.



TS

I really need to find out what body of water all these tragic accidents are happening on

ha, thanks for the responses. the reason i assumed a short barreled shotty wasn't a big deal without a stock was from a few other sites im from, they said regardless of rifling or not, it needs to have a 18 inch barrel, ill continue my research..

That seems to happen this time of year

The Street Sweeper (along with several other firearms) were specifically named as Destructive Devices by the Feds... not by any sort of generic definition... more so because they didn't think we civilians had any real need for them.

Your typical Class 3 Dealer is NOT qualified to do business in Destructive Devices. They can do a few, but they cannot engage in the "business" of dealing in DD's.

DD's require a different Special Occupational Tax than that required of a Class 3 dealer who deals in machineguns, silencers, SBR/SBS and AOWs.

DD dealers can sell exposives such as Grenades, Detonation Cord, Plastic explosive, Dynomite, and other explosives (like fireworks).

The Feds took it upon themselves to define the streetsweeper as a DD.

"AOW" is a catch all category for anything other than MG, Silencer, SBR, SBS, DD that is also not a recognized Title I firearm. Title I firearms are your typical rifles, pistols and shotguns.

Yes, each DD transfered to a civilian requires a transfer (Form 4 + $200 tax).

Thereshort barrle shotties that are AOWs and only cost a $5 Stamp



It is as AOW beacuse it has a forward grip. Much easier to conceal that a street sweeper. They can get away with such a short barrel because the AFT definition of shot gun includes a stock and they get originals from the dealers that are sold with pistol grips like this one


then shorten the barrel, tube, and actions, change out the front grip to a swing down verticle one and bam what you really have is a SBS but not classified by law as a SBS.

hey, i have one of those green tubes in my closet, but my mossy doesnt look like that anymore!

Good point regarding AOWs only being a $5 transfer instead of a $200 transfer for a SBS.

I wish it was only $5 tax to make one... A Form 1 to make an AOW is still $200, just like it is for a SBR, SBS or Silencer.

So if a Class 2 Manufacturer makes the AOW via a Form 2 then transfers it to you, you save $195 in transfer taxes. The Class 2 Manufacturer pays an annual Special Occupational Tax ("SOT") which allows the SOT holder to make as many as they want via a Form 2.

A class 2 manufacturer can make MGs, SBRs, Silencers, SBSs and AOWs, but they cannot make DDs. And the MGs they make are no longer transferable to civilians... only to law enforcement, gov't agencies and the military.

An Individual (non SOT holder) can apply to make SBRs, Silencers, SBSs and AOWs, via a Form 1. All the Making taxes are $200.

Once made (either by an SOT's Form 2 or an individuals's Form 1), all are transferable (except new MGs) to individuals via a tax paid transfer (Form 4). The transfer tax is $200 for everything except AOWs. The transfer tax on an AOW is only $5.

Some common AOWs:
Pen Guns
Cane Guns
Smooth-bore pistols
Pistols with a forward grip... If you put a Vertical Foregrip on an AR pistol (or an HK SP89), you just broke the law by making an AOW without paying the $200 making tax via an approved Form 1. I see a lot of pistols for sale on the internet, like on GunBroker, where someone dressed up their pistol with a foregrip, took a picture of it, then posted it in their on-line ad. I usually send them a note, telling them about their issue. Some reply with a thanks, others reply... well... thinking they know better, and that I'm wrong.... BUt at least I tried to keep them out of trouble.


And don't get me started about 922®... So many people out there buy an imported "sporting" rifle, then end up putting a second "evil" feature on it, and viola... illegal imported "assault rifle."

There are too many ways to unknowingly violate gun laws, it is truly scary.