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Trijicon Tri Power VS Eotech, ??
post November 4th 2009 4:17 AM
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warwgon:good to know. thanks for the reply.

thumper: ya thats what looked cool about it. (attaching to the rifle flat top) I am currently looking at the DD omega 7.
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post November 4th 2009 5:37 AM
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QUOTE (Payj @ November 3rd 2009 11:17 PM) *
warwgon:good to know. thanks for the reply.

thumper: ya thats what looked cool about it. (attaching to the rifle flat top) I am currently looking at the DD omega 7.



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post November 4th 2009 7:39 AM
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They actually still seem to make the one you have. Too much money for my blood though lol.
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post November 4th 2009 7:45 AM
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QUOTE (Payj @ November 4th 2009 1:39 AM) *
They actually still seem to make the one you have. Too much money for my blood though lol.


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post November 4th 2009 7:46 AM
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accidentally quoted myself, disregard.

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post November 4th 2009 6:44 PM
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post November 6th 2009 1:36 AM
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I had a chance a few days ago to look through both the ap and eotech. I like the eotech a little more. I felt I could acquire the target easier. The aimpoint seemed to have a "red ring" around it, which was kind of annoying. My field of view was more on the eotech as well. Other than that they both seemed real nice.

Eotech it is.

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post November 6th 2009 3:38 AM
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If there was a red ring then you should turn down the intensity.






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post November 6th 2009 9:01 AM
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nevermind lol

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post November 14th 2009 3:37 AM
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In another thread I wrote how I had the eo but decided against it because of some other opinions I read between the to. So I bought the AP M4s

I got it about 2 hours ago and have been playing with it. I LOVE IT. This thing is awesome. In the store the one thing I didn't like about AP was the "tube" I was looking down it like a scope. Well after doing more "researching" I realized the whole two eye open thing. Initially you don't want to do this because its not natural. For whatever reason looking at it with both eyes open is easy/natural for me !! It just looks like a free floating dot with basically my whole field of view. Awesome Awesome. The eotech besides a few other things was too "fancy" (the rectile) for me. The dot is great-where the dot is the bullet goes. I dont have to center the 65moa with the target like with the eo....

Thanks for all the help....
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post November 14th 2009 3:40 AM
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Aimpoints are great. Congrats!


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post November 14th 2009 4:32 AM
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QUOTE (dirtdiver @ November 3rd 2009 4:31 AM) *
the EOtech is the fastest reflex sight,but its also a batterie eating monster


I'd be curious what you quantify that opinion with. I ran EOTech's for a long time and run nothing but Aimpoints now. I think I can say from experience that neither is faster. EOTechs have some serious durability issues as well as the battery life issue.

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My wife would disagree with that statement. I also like all the 'Elcan's are great' comments. Heavy, mediocre battery life, fragile ARMS mounts, external adjustments (loss of zero). The Elcan Spectre 1-4 is pretty reviled in the Canadian military, especially in their Special Operations community. Where do you guys get this crap?

Seriously.

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post November 14th 2009 4:38 AM
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QUOTE (KellyTTE @ November 13th 2009 11:32 PM) *
I'd be curious what you quantify that opinion with. I ran EOTech's for a long time and run nothing but Aimpoints now. I think I can say from experience that neither is faster.


I think that's subjective at best. What is faster for you may be slower for someone else. You may be currently enamored with Aimpoint, but someone else may be loving Eotech.

It's all about what works for each individual person. No right or wrong.
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QUOTE (Gmountain @ November 13th 2009 10:38 PM) *
I think that's subjective at best. What is faster for you may be slower for someone else. You may be currently enamored with Aimpoint, but someone else may be loving Eotech.

It's all about what works for each individual person. No right or wrong.


This is whats wrong in great part is the theory that every opinion, no matter how experienced or capable are all weighted equally. At its core is a mentality that 'everyone gets a medal', which is horsecrap. I didn't say that Aimpoints were faster, as a matter of fact, I specifically said neither was a clearly superior platform.

Heck, I'm going to cross post this, written by Rob_S, because I think that this says addresses so much of whats wrong with some much of the advice that's doled out on the DramaWeb:


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This statement has caused me some problems on various forums when asking for people's frame of reference, past experience, actual experience, or other qualifiers to an opinion.

Someone posts that "this class was amazing!", yet when pressed admits that the only other class they ever had was the two hour lecture at the gun show to get their CWP.

Someone posts "I love my XYZ carbine!", yet eventually concedes that they have had the thing for 3 years and are still on the first case of ammo they bought with the gun.

Someone posts "the ABC bolt-on made by XYZ is the best!", but come to find out that they've never even laid hands on one, let alone used one.

Which isn't to say that these opinions are completely worthless, so long as they are properly qualified.

If the guy in example one said "I've never taken any training before, but this instructor really took the time to walk the new guys through and I absolutely loved the experience", then others that are new to training could perhaps put themselves in his shoes and figure out that this might be a class they would be interested in.

If the guy in example two just fessed up to the relatively low round count, and the virtual lack of experience with the gun, perhaps someone else with a similar intended use could benefit from the opinion and save $200 over buying more gun than they "need".

If the guy in example three just admitted that he got the information off the internet, but said "I've never used an ABC from XYZ, but both Pat Rogers and Larry Vickers have posted on various forums that they love them" (and preferably provide links to those posts), then at least they're sort of shifting the qualifier to someone else, and providing the resource where someone could go and ask questions of Pat and Larry to further their inquiries.

Yes, contrary to what your mommy and your third grade teacher told you, while everyone may be entitled to their opinion, some opinions are of less value than others.

When seeking advice on the internet, you need to include two things:
1) What do you intend to do with the product? Whether you are asking about Jeep parts, rifles, electronics, sex toys, whatever, if you leave out what you want to do with it, you could wind up with suggestions for a ball gag when what you really want is a sybian (google it if you don't know what it is). TELL US WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE ITEM IN QUESTION. What optic someone suggests will depend on whether you want to defend your barricaded family in your home or pop prairie dogs at 800 yards.

2) What is your frame of reference? If you're asking for suggestions on a new product, and you've already owned 3 of the competitive products, let people know that so they can save time and streamline their advice. If you're asking about 123 because you've already tried ABC and didn't like it, then say so. That way the people that prefer ABC can save themselves the trouble of suggesting it. If you're asking about a class to take, post your previous training experience as it will have an impact on what people recommend.

When reading advice on the internet, you need to make sure of two things:
1) Does the advice-giver have any real frame of reference for their opinions? If they don't post their qualifiers, or get upset when asked to, then you can pretty easily discount their opinion. Make sure that the guy posting on the other end actually has some kind of experience to back up his opinion, or at least tells you that he has none.

2) Does the advice-given share your frame of reference? While cops can learn from non-LE, and civilians can learn from soldiers, and soldiers can learn from competition shooters, there are times when the needs of someone in a role different from yours may not translate well to your needs. Make sure that you understand where the other person is coming from, their application and level of experience, and that you understand how their frame of reference translates to your own.

When offering advice on the internet, you should do two things:
1) Post your qualifiers. "I love my XYZ" is an absolutely useless post. It helps nobody, does nothing but strokes your own ego, and chances are you are only actually recommending the only brand/model/example/version of the thing that you have ever even seen in person. Stop it. There is nothing wrong with posting an opinion based largely in ignorance, but own up to it. Say "I bought an XYZ as my first AR and I've put x# of trouble-free rounds through it". Don't say "flawless". Please. For the children.

2) Post your frame of reference. If you use your rifle as a PMC in Iraq, say so. If you use your rifle for competitive shooting, say so. If you use your rifle as an LE patrol rifle, say so. While there may be some carryover, oftentimes there isn't. Preferably you should ascertain what it is that the other guy is planning on doing with his XYZ, and then qualify whatever advice you give based on same.
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QUOTE (KellyTTE @ November 13th 2009 11:47 PM) *
This is whats wrong in great part is the theory that every opinion, no matter how experienced or capable are all weighted equally. At its core is a mentality that 'everyone gets a medal', which is horsecrap. I didn't say that Aimpoints were faster, as a matter of fact, I specifically said neither was a clearly superior platform.

Heck, I'm going to cross post this, written by Rob_S, because I think that this says addresses so much of whats wrong with some much of the advice that's doled out on the DramaWeb:


For you. That is the point. For someone else, one or the other may be a clearly superior platform.
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post November 14th 2009 5:04 AM
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here's one of them "Cop Clues" you like to refer to so much if, the perfect optic or scope had been invented already, there'd be no market for a new one or the multitudes already out here


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QUOTE (Warlike @ November 13th 2009 11:04 PM) *
here's one of them "Cop Clues" you like to refer to so much if, the perfect optic or scope had been invented already, there'd be no market for a new one or the multitudes already out here


True, true. I own a TR24G currently on my mid Sabre. I had a TR21R on mny Colt before that. I write and post about things from my experience. I don't make recommendations regarding equipment I haven't owned or worked with. Isn't that a GREAT way to do things?
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post November 14th 2009 5:17 AM
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QUOTE (KellyTTE @ November 13th 2009 11:11 PM) *
True, true. I own a TR24G currently on my mid Sabre. I had a TR21R on mny Colt before that. I write and post about things from my experience. I don't make recommendations regarding equipment I haven't owned or worked with. Isn't that a GREAT way to do things?


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post November 14th 2009 5:21 AM
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QUOTE (KellyTTE @ November 14th 2009 12:11 AM) *
True, true. I own a TR24G currently on my mid Sabre. I had a TR21R on mny Colt before that. I write and post about things from my experience. I don't make recommendations regarding equipment I haven't owned or worked with. Isn't that a GREAT way to do things?


and yet YOU assume that others have not used or worked with things they post on, here's a clue I've only shot one AR15 GPU so you don't find me posting on other GPUs than the Addax do ya? And I usually make sure to state that its My opinion when it's an educated hypothesis I'm posting, that's called responsible advising.
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yanno I'm getting soooooooooo god damned tired of arguing with people on this and other sites about this kind of bullshat from a couple of hours of them watching CNN and forming opinions about the situations in Iraq, and Afghanistan, to what optic is the best, what rifle is the best, ya wanna know why my setup is like it is, in other words-CHEAP ASS, because of people like this that think MONEY buys reliability and accuracy, I have a total of $1100 in my rig, and I can use it effectively as people running multiple thousand dollar setups, I don't condemn people for buying expensive equipment r cheap equipment as long as it runs for them and doesn't breakdown or take to much effort to use in real world situations. END OF ARGUMENT, STOP DERAILING THREADS
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