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post June 24th 2008 5:38 PM
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Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/715977.html


By ANNA M. TINSLEY
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If Duane Suddeth had his way, he could strap on a handgun and wear it — anytime, anywhere — without concealing it.

That day has not come in Texas, but the 42-year-old Bedford man is among thousands hoping it is on its way.

"This is the public’s right," Suddeth said. "Whether they choose to exercise that or not is up to them."

Texas, despite its independence and frontier reputation, is one of only six states where handguns cannot — in some form — legally be worn in plain view.

Suddeth is among a group of residents wanting to change that who have joined a growing nationwide "open-carry" movement.

Some say it harks back to constitutional rights and frontier days when settlers carried their weapons where everyone could see them.

"It was considered part of everyday life back then," said John Pierce, co-founder of www.OpenCarry.org, a champion of the effort. "The concealed-carry part was what was looked at with disdain."

In Texas, where residents may carry concealed handguns if they have a permit, more than 3,500 people have signed an online petition asking Gov. Rick Perry and the Legislature to make Texas an open-carry state.

"Cowboys and Indians, and the Alamo — and many just assumed that Texas was an open-carry state," wrote Gary Williams, one of many Texans advocating for gun law change. "Clearly, there are some changes that need to be made."

Gun safety advocates aren’t so sure.

"What are they trying to do? Go back to Texas gunslinger days?" asked Richard Leal, a board member of the Houston-based Texans for Gun Safety. "Things are bad enough as it is, with people 18 and older being authorized to carry guns."

The open-carry effort

Many states such as Texas do have concealed handgun rules and permits in place.

But many also have open-carry rules, unlike Texas, along with New York, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina and Washington, D.C., according to OpenCarry.org.

Dozens of states either issue licenses for open carry or allow the practice without any license, according to the Web site.

"The concealed-carry movement that swept the country in past decades has been a great benefit to law-abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves in an uncertain world," Pierce said. "But we are trying to re-educate people that open carry is . . . a basic gun right."

The Texas Citizens Defense League, of which Williams and Suddeth are members, is trying to get the word out.

Part of that is the petition that asks that all people who may legally buy a handgun also be allowed to carry it openly, except in places prohibited by law.

"I can’t count the times I have been in some discussion about open carry in some Northern state . . . and somebody says, 'Hey, this is not . . . Texas,’ " said Mike Stollenwerk, co-founder of OpenCarry.org.

"And I respond, 'Thankfully you are correct, as open carry is banned in Texas.’ "

Texas reaction

Any change to the law would come from the Texas Legislature, which is why the petition is to lawmakers and Perry.

The issue is not on the governor’s plate yet, a spokeswoman said.

"The governor is very supportive of conceal and carry laws," said Kristi Piferrer, a Perry spokeswoman. "Expanding that to open carry probably will take a lot of public deliberation and legislative guidance."

Some law enforcers say they would be leery of an open-carry policy in Texas.

"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, who as a state senator helped make concealed-carry law in 1995, said he doesn’t believe that open carry would create any problems.

While he never considered proposing an open-carry measure, Patterson said he has seen the practice in Arizona.

"I went into the bank, and a guy walked in with a .45 in his back pocket," he said. "I thought, 'Well, that’s unusual.’ "

"You never know"

Suddeth, an IT professional who does some travel for work, said he would like to openly carry a loaded handgun. In the past year, Suddeth said there was an elderly woman attacked, cars broken into, a home broken into and several assaults in his Bedford neighborhood.

"You never know when crime is going to happen," he said. "I think eventually we will see open carry in Texas.

"Eventually, it will happen."

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Open-carry states Texas is one of six states that either do not allow or highly restrict the open carrying of handguns in public. The others are New York, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina, as well as Washington, D.C., according to OpenCarry.org.

More than a dozen states require a license for open carry, from Utah to Mississippi to Massachusetts. Eleven more, from Vermont to Arizona, allow it but don’t require licenses. Still more generally permit it but offer various restrictions. And two states, California and Illinois, allow loaded handguns to be carried in rural areas, according to the Web site.

"OpenCarry.org believes that 'a right unexercised is a right lost,’ and increasingly gun owners are agreeing," according to the Web site. "It’s time gun carry comes out of the closet in America."

Source: www.OpenCarry.org

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post June 24th 2008 8:01 PM
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Please sign this guys. I think it would help remove the fear of guns if we could carry openly.



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post June 24th 2008 8:12 PM
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post June 25th 2008 12:41 AM
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You have my support but bear in mind signatures are not enough, I give you the.....

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

That's right kiddies, it will take a Constitutional amendment to the state Constitution to get this done.


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post June 25th 2008 5:46 AM
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QUOTE (Kahuna Cowboy @ June 24th 2008 7:41 PM) *
You have my support but bear in mind signatures are not enough, I give you the.....

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

That's right kiddies, it will take a Constitutional amendment to the state Constitution to get this done.


The Texas Constitution isn't like the U.S. Constitution.

The Texas Constitution
Article 17 - MODE OF AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE
Section 1 - PROPOSED AMENDMENTS; PUBLICATION; SUBMISSION TO VOTERS; ADOPTION
(a) The Legislature, at any regular session, or at any special session when the matter is included within the purposes for which the session is convened, may propose amendments revising the Constitution, to be voted upon by the qualified voters for statewide offices and propositions, as defined in the Constitution and statutes of this State. The date of the elections shall be specified by the Legislature. The proposal for submission must be approved by a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each House, entered by yeas and nays on the journals.
(b) A brief explanatory statement of the nature of a proposed amendment, together with the date of the election and the wording of the proposition as it is to appear on the ballot, shall be published twice in each newspaper in the State which meets requirements set by the Legislature for the publication of official notices of offices and departments of the state government. The explanatory statement shall be prepared by the Secretary of State and shall be approved by the Attorney General. The Secretary of State shall send a full and complete copy of the proposed amendment or amendments to each county clerk who shall post the same in a public place in the courthouse at least 30 days prior to the election on said amendment. The first notice shall be published not more than 60 days nor less than 50 days before the date of the election, and the second notice shall be published on the same day in the succeeding week. The Legislature shall fix the standards for the rate of charge for the publication, which may not be higher than the newspaper's published national rate for advertising per column inch.
© The election shall be held in accordance with procedures prescribed by the Legislature, and the returning officer in each county shall make returns to the Secretary of State of the number of legal votes cast at the election for and against each amendment. If it appears from the returns that a majority of the votes cast have been cast in favor of an amendment, it shall become a part of this Constitution, and proclamation thereof shall be made by the Governor. (Amended Nov. 7, 1972, and Nov. 2, 1999.)


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QUOTE (Kahuna Cowboy @ June 24th 2008 7:41 PM) *
You have my support but bear in mind signatures are not enough, I give you the.....

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 23 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS

Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.


The bold underline section clearly points out that the legislature has the ability to regulate the "wearing of arms".



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Only at 16,000.... The TSRA didn't get back to me... Maybe they are the same as the NRA...



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QUOTE (KaneAR15 @ July 12th 2008 5:53 PM) *
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QUOTE (BULLDOG @ June 24th 2008 12:38 PM) *
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Thousands sign petition to make Texas an open-carry state

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/715977.html


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"What are they trying to do? Go back to Texas gunslinger days?" asked Richard Leal, a board member of the Houston-based Texans for Gun Safety. "Things are bad enough as it is, with people 18 and older being authorized to carry guns."

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Some law enforcers say they would be leery of an open-carry policy in Texas.

"I really think it would cause a lot of uneasiness in the community, with people seeing so many guns," Tarrant County Constable Sergio DeLeon said. "It could create more problems than it would solve."

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/715977.html
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The comments above, particulalry the first one, are the main problem, the Texas Constitution can be amended just as it is done every legislative session.

And yes, I signed it along time ago.

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QUOTE (TigerStripe @ June 30th 2008 8:04 PM) *
Only at 16,000.... The TSRA didn't get back to me... Maybe they are the same as the NRA...



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I know it probably isn't something new, but for what they spent on mail solicitians might have been worth it. I hadn't even heard of it before, after being an NRA member for 10+ years.

I started a TSRA membership when I renewed my NRA membership.

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QUOTE (POOR_MAN @ November 19th 2008 11:54 PM) *
I started a TSRA membership when I renewed my NRA membership.

Same here! Got a family membership. We shoot in El Paso quite a bit and the TSRA is a huge group making a big difference.
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QUOTE (d_c @ August 21st 2008 5:13 PM) *
The comments above, particulalry the first one, are the main problem,

And they said the exact same things when Texas went to Concealed Carry. And what happened? The biggest opponents to CC agreed after the first couple of years that it was probably a good idea after all. It will be no different when OC passes. Texas is only what, one of 6 states (I think) that has Concealed Carry but no provision for Open Carry. I love the idea of being able to OC if I choose to do so.


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Only 28,000.... sad.gif



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QUOTE (TigerStripe @ November 24th 2008 9:39 AM) *
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I'll post it other places afterwork, but online pettitions have never really impressed me much.
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QUOTE (POOR_MAN @ November 24th 2008 3:12 PM) *
I'll post it other places afterwork, but online pettitions have never really impressed me much.


I agree about online petitions, really... but they beat having nothing.


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It's not neccessary to amend the constitution to allow open carry. The constitution says the legislature can regulate the wearing. Which means the legislature can allow open carry merely by passing a law.
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