Probably gonna get an 870 with flashlight and a full stock w/ pistol grip. Its not my intention to shoot from the hip so I dont think the pistol grip will be a problem.

Who are you addressing in this post?

for starters im against pistol grips for many reasons.

1. shooting at the hip is not that great. people think because they are looking at the target they will hit it. i've seen so many people at the range shoot from the hip and end up shooting the ground and dirt shoots up. because of the nature your arms are in holding it straight down a follow up shot is not likely to be all that much of help. if they are shooting back your chances of manuevering around are terrible. what are you going to do

2. holding the gun at chest height is not that great either. its better than the hip, but once again your ability to move around is faulted. the only time ive been advised to shoot from the chest is when id be taking a follow up shot from the shoulder...for example watch the beginning of tis video: http://sabretactical.com/CAR/car.html. try doing that with a pistol grip and i promise you will knock yourself in the face.

im going to the sig sauer academy to take the tod rassa extreme cqb or immediate response shotgun course in feb. so ill let you know how many instructors there like pistol grip shotguns.

This post has been edited by outlawskinnyd: November 6th 2009 8:33 PM

ill send you a pistol grip stock i have if you want. so if you get an 870 with a reg stock let me know and ill send you the pistol/full stock grip

Okay....

1) Shooting from the hip is bad form regardless what type of firearm you are shooting.
2) This is the first time I have heard of this guy, so I know nothing about his style or its effectiveness. Regardless, that isn't the way a shotgun is intended to be shot, as you see he uses pistols and smgs during this demonstration.

But my final reason that pistol grips are just fine on shotguns....





.... these guys seem to have some success with them.

hahah we are talking about 2 seperate things!

this is what i am talking about:


hahahahahah

Roger that.

+1!!!! gotta be good if the Corps uses it! Ive neve had a problem with mine... in fact have thanked God for it more than a few times. Get you either a 870 or Charles Daly makes a good one with a ghost ring rear and fiber optic front sight,scope mount,breeching device ,and a pistol grip w/full stock and its a good shotgun also! but both I listed have a steel reciever and not an aluminum one,so they are bettermade and will last alot longer than a Mossberg(which has an aluminum reciever).

Those Charles Daly shotguns sure do have a nice price tag, even with their autoloader. I may have to get one when I get the funds.

we sell the pump version for 420.00 in our store and I forgot what the price on the autoloader was ,wifey got it for me

i have to respectfully disagree.

charles daly used to have their o/u's made by miroku, same guys who make browning's o/u shotguns.
as far the as the auto loaders go i've heard horror stories of them on the hunting field, but i dont hunt so i cant comment.

as for pumps, i guess its ok. i mean a pump shotgun is gonna work no matter what...but id stick to remington.

go to www.aiptactical.com and get this gun. it is worth the extra $150-$200.

charles daly i believe is made in turkey.
the remington 870 from aip, as well as all remingtons are made here in the usa

the charles daly finish is basic.
the remington 870 finish from aip is parkerized

the charles daly barrel is regular
the remington 870 barrel from aip is parkeized and heavy walled police version of the barrels

the charles daly stock is made by some overseas company, who knows where its from, and lots of times pistol grip full stock's come loose.
the remington 870 from aip is a speedfeed stock made right here in the usa. i have 2 of them they are great. never come loose.

also the remington comes with a wilson combat magazine extension, with heaver spring to make sure the rounds load out good. also for no extra charge you can get it with the heavier trigger pull.

the foregrip on that charles daly gun is huge. the remington is nice and small.

dont look at charles daly. the daly that everyone knows here IS NOT the same p.o.s. daly quality thats in the shotgun world.

To each their own, but I strongly recommend you don't bash our sponsors. It's not the best way to make a point here.

And just a heads up, I spent part of my time in the Marines traveling this country on the All-Marine Skeet Team. I know a lil' bit about shotguns, and while the Daly isn't a Benelli M4, it serves its purpose, and it serves it at a damn good price.

Just my .02.



ETA: CountRy, not county.

This post has been edited by pleaforwar: November 6th 2009 11:35 PM

im not trying to have a contest about shotguns and who knows more. not at all. thats sick you were on the marine skeet team.
you have given me nothing but great sound advice. whether it be on lefty ar's or just any other post i make. im know for a fact
that you know your stuff, as does every other member on here...

hahah but dont tell me you can reccomend (with a straight face) a turkish made charles daly over an american made remington 870 or mossberg 500 that for $150 more you get 10x the accessories, 10x better quality, 1000000x easier to get a replacement part if you need.

I wasn't trying to come off as arrogant, just throwing out that I do have an idea about what I speak of.

Turkey makes some wonderful shotguns, I met a Colonel (who had plenty of spending money) who would always shoot with a Huglu sxs. It was a beautiful gun, depending on the location some Turkish guns are very well made.

And to answer your question, yes, I can recommend one of their shotguns. To a lot of people out there $150 is a lot of money or they just don't feel like spending the extra amount.

Hey outlaw, how do those speed feed stocks work?

Do they make having a rack of 6 extra rounds on the side of the shotgun outdated?

This post has been edited by Biotite: November 7th 2009 12:26 AM

to be honest with you, just get a belt that holds 25 shells. they are about $10 if not cheaper.
i dont have the speedfeed stock that holds the shells, i got the one without. i wouldnt get the shell
holder mounted on the receiver either.


my shotgun (thats in pieces right now) that i use for home defense has a sling, flash light mount that mounts the shotgun off to the
left side of the barrel and thats it. the surefire grip looks cool, but imo its a waste. it takes away from the amount of room you have on
the forend. it looks cool though.

If I discover some prick breaking in my front door, I wont have time to put on a belt with shells. My expectation would be facing this guy off with a tac shotgun, my underwear, and pretty much nothing else. If I need the extra shells, I would need them with the gun. I like the flashlight mounts that mount the light off to the side of the barrel. I assume that is what you were refering to. I am definately going for a full stock with a pistol grip. No shooting from the hip or chest for me. I dont know what you guys call that shotgun without a butt stock but to me that is a sawed off shotgun. Im not manish enough to own one of them.

This post has been edited by Biotite: November 7th 2009 3:05 AM

Those shotguns SUCK goat balls!!!

hat eme with a passion, ya need a stock on a shotgun & thopse little pistol gripped shotties are worthless & hurt like a mo fo after a few rounds...

Mine:

I think what you are looking for can be found at Mesa Tactical.