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January 21st 2008 5:43 PM
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1899 Red Lake Delegation  1909 Red Lake Delegation  1916 Red Lake Delegation  Cass Lake Indians around 1920  Chief Bemidji  Pe-zhe-Ke (Buffalo)  Chief Pugona-geshig (Old Bug) on the left  Chief Flat Mouth  Chief Oua-wi-sain-shish (BadBoy)  Chief Tabaiwatang-Believe
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January 21st 2008 5:43 PM
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Chief Sour Spittle, wearing old style buckskin shirt with painted dots. Died 1876  Chief Sha-wanuh-cumi-gish-kung  Chief Mays cuco-na-ay (Red Robe)  Chief Mays cuco-na-ay (Red Robe) and Albert Stately  Chief Wa Ba ne gwe nis (John Smith)   Chief Moozomo  Chief Metchis-skank  Chief May-dway-gwa-no-nind
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January 21st 2008 5:44 PM
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Maiajiaush (Something going to sail off) and Noboniqueaush (Yellow Haired one sailing along) around 1877  Chief Iron Horn  Chief Gwi we saince (Alfred Jordin)  John Strong (right) adopted Red Lake Chairman Roger Jourdain as his namesake  Kenew-Gwa-Nayaush - Roger A. Jourdain, Red Lake Chairman 1959-1990  Essiniwub ogwissun - Son of Essiniwud (signed 1863 Treaty)  Beaver Hunter  Bashicta-nogueb (High up in the Sky) also called Charles Sucker born in 1843  Aname Gizhig (Praying Day) 1896
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January 21st 2008 6:58 PM
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Elderly Indian man holding pipe.  Bark House, site of Bemidji, Chief Bemidji in doorway  Chief Tom Skinaway and family in front of their home, Mille Lacs  Bay-me-ge-maug (Chief Bemidji).  Gay-boy-no-din, Red Lake Indian Chief  Red Blanket, Ojibway chief of the Leech Lake band,  Mille Lacs removals with their chief at Big Elbow Lake.  Chippewa Indians at White Earth
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January 21st 2008 6:59 PM
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Chippewa chief.  Chippewa chief White Cloud (Wa-bon-o-quot).  Chief Little White Cloud, Cass Lake.  Chief James Green Hill, Squaw Point.  Chief Flatmouth, the second.  Ojibway councilors at White Earth; Chief Wadena in the center.  Chief Asha-we-ge-sig.  Be-she-kee (Buffalo).
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January 21st 2008 10:03 PM
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Awesome pics man. Lots of history.
Was there a lot of tensions in Minnesota between the tribes and the Whites or did they get along for the most part? I saw a lot of the captions on the pics talked about being heroes to the whites and so on.
Also interesting to see the swastika used by a group from North American typically you only see it in central Asia.
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January 21st 2008 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(Etho @ January 21st 2008 4:03 PM)  Awesome pics man. Lots of history. Was there a lot of tensions in Minnesota between the tribes and the Whites or did they get along for the most part? I saw a lot of the captions on the pics talked about being heroes to the whites and so on.
Also interesting to see the swastika used by a group from North American typically you only see it in central Asia. Wow you noticed that! I was just going to post a reply about that… The “swastika” bead work on, Chief John Smith’s arm may look like a nazi swastika but it is not. Actually this is a Ojibwe piece symbol. Nazi swastika are right facing where as the Ojibwe piece symbol, like the bead work on Chief Smith’s arm, is left facing. At the old high school building in Mahnomen Minnesota, where my mother went to school, there is some old tile work with the Ojibwe piece symbol design on some of the tiles. When I first noticed that I could not figure out why, I asked my mother and she told me what it was… The school was built in the 1920’s. I don’t think it would go over so well now a days, in fact, you RAREley see the “left facing” Chippewa piece symbol any more.. Most likely because it’s its almost always mistaken for a nazi swastika.  I’ll post new thread on the subject of tensions in Minnesota between the Chippewa Indians and the Whites later.
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January 21st 2008 10:54 PM
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Great pics.
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January 21st 2008 10:57 PM
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Excellent. I had no idea they used it has a peace symbol. Do the arms represent anything like in central Asia or no?
In Asia it is typically associated as a good luck symbol. Luck, Light, Love and Life. Also it is backwards from the Nazi version as well. From what I understand the Nazi's took their from the ones the Norse used way back when tha twas a symbol of power or immortality or something. Been a while since I read about it. I can't even remember if the Nordic version was facing left or right. It's interesting nonetheless most people have no clue that symbol has other meanings, kinda like the Maltese cross it has been around forever but the Imperial and Nazi Germany's completely skewed it. Of course the Cross of St. Andrew is the same way aka Confederate State of America national flag.
I wonder if it was something they brought over here with them when the massive migration occured. It's funny how so many things are similar between two races of people who were divided by an ocean and on seperate continents. I guess not overly odd considering they came from there originally but just that it actually stuck with them over thousands of years. It would be completely crazy that they both came up with the same symbol.
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January 22nd 2008 1:21 AM
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QUOTE(Etho @ January 21st 2008 4:57 PM)  I wonder if it was something they brought over here with them when the massive migration occured. It's funny how so many things are similar between two races of people who were divided by an ocean and on seperate continents. I guess not overly odd considering they came from there originally but just that it actually stuck with them over thousands of years. It would be completely crazy that they both came up with the same symbol. That’s vary possible.. QUOTE(Etho @ January 21st 2008 4:57 PM)  Excellent. I had no idea they used it has a peace symbol. Do the arms represent anything like in central Asia or no? I don’t know, like I said it’s rarely seen today and never used as a symbol on traditional dress anymore, Hitler took care of that!
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January 24th 2008 4:36 AM
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Scotto, do you happen to know if the lake named Hole-in-the-day is named after the Chief or vise versa
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January 24th 2008 2:43 PM
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QUOTE(mnblaster @ January 23rd 2008 10:36 PM)  Scotto, do you happen to know if the lake named Hole-in-the-day is named after the Chief or vise versa Yes, that lake is named after the great chief Hole-in-the-day. It was a cloudy overcast day when the chief was born but at the moment of his birth the clouds opened up and the sun shown then then got cloudy again i.e. a hole in the day. Hole-in-the-Day (or Bug-o-nay-ki-shig) The word "ki-shig" means either "day" or "sky", and the name is perhaps more correctly translated Hole-in-the-Sky.
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January 26th 2008 3:32 AM
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Way cool Scotto!
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January 27th 2008 3:30 AM
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I really enjoyed this scotto, thanks for sharing the photos.
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October 11th 2008 7:32 PM
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the Nazi's were the only ones that faced it to right, it's a symbol in egypt, china, japan as well, in all cultures other than Nazis it is a symbol of positivie influence either of strength(power), or light(luck), a very interesting symbol indeed and only one of which Nazis defaced also to include the SS double lightning bolt. Also I'm not sure if it is the same school that Scotto mentioned or not but I read awhile back about a school board wanting to remove tilework that had the right facing swaztika at the entrance to it, after they discovered the true origin it was decided against removal, stigmatas funny thing ain't they?
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Vary nice photo set. It gives me chills looking at the people and thinking of what they had to go through. Thanks
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January 4th 2009 3:08 PM
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QUOTE (Blast @ January 4th 2009 2:41 AM)  Nice Blast,,, thanks for the links...
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January 5th 2009 12:57 AM
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Awesome Photos scotto!! I love history and especially local history. Oh, I live just east of you. I'm right near the east entrance of Itasca State Park. My wife is in the Army and currently stationed in DC. While there, we were visiting the "Old Guard" museum (the unit that does the Arlington Cemetery ceremonies and guards the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier) I was surprised when I saw some pictures in there of the last indian/white war that took place near Leech Lake. I had never heard of it before, nor did I know that the "Old Gaurd" is origianally from Minnesota. Keith
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