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Pic of Recovered 10mm JHPs
post December 25th 2006 5:40 PM
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QUOTE(teamcorbon @ Feb 3 2006, 12:20 PM) [snapback]32387[/snapback]

Our 10mm 180 BCSP is a bullet we make in-house. It is a jacketed/bonded lead core. It is designed for hunting and willnot fragment.

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+1 on that. No doubt DT's Beartooth should give similar performance. I haven't tried them, yet. I am sure the DT kicks like the C-B, too.
Excellent post, Turbonatr and great thread overall.
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post January 7th 2007 8:45 PM
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QUOTE(Musketeer @ Jan 20 2006, 06:27 PM) [snapback]31547[/snapback]

I would like to see what happens with the DT 135 grain JHP. I have some recoverred from wet newspaper and there was significant fragmentation.

I really think you are onto something about dellet design. It is interesting to note that the 10mm Silvertip is an old design. Winchester put it out at near full house loading years ago and have never changed it. If bumped up slightly by DT I bet it would hold up much better than a 180 grain Gold DOt designed for 40 S&W.

Look at the 200 gr XTP. It openned up really well, penetrating very deeply. It also I believe was a round desinged for the 10mm. That is the round in my backup mag, simply because I figure having rounds that will work on most 4 legged or through cover might be benificial, especially if I have used up all my 135 grains.

I may have to drop DT an email asking for a Silvertip loading...

I wonder how the Hydrashock would perfom at increased velocity? Too bad I do not believe it is available for reloading. My local Sports Authority is selling them for $4.99 a box of 20 to get rid of them. If I was was comfroatble loading to DT velocities, and I am NOT, I would buy a bunch, pull the bullets, and reload them...


Yeah same here! that 135 is a screamer and looks like it will frag and bounce off the bones of those critters and be very nasty. The 10mm is really good for larger game. The best way to test defensive capabilities would be to test on hogs since they have the most simularity in tissue to humans.


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post April 7th 2007 8:06 PM
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QUOTE(tpd223 @ Dec 24 2006, 11:53 AM) [snapback]43069[/snapback]

I've seen the 180gr Gold Dot and the 180gr HST pulled out of gellatine having expanded to this size. When the bullet isn't pushed too fast for it's design then the mushroom stays big instead of folding over on itself.
Pushed too fast it's common for the mushroom portion of the bullet to fold over so that the bullet looks like a badmitton birdie, or break off of the bullet shank entirely.


I shoot 180-gr Gold Dots at 1185-fps from my G29. They perform exactly as I think they should. I don't see the point in overdriving a bullet design.

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Yeppers, that is over 1.00" expansion and 100% weight retention. That's why I'm not a 10mm speed junkie.
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QUOTE(nitesite @ Apr 7 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]46957[/snapback]

I shoot 180-gr Gold Dots at 1185-fps from my G29. They perform exactly as I think they should. I don't see the point in overdriving a bullet design.

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Yeppers, that is over 1.00" expansion and 100% weight retention. That's why I'm not a 10mm speed junkie.


I know this is not a tell all test but when i have fired DT GDs out of my G20 into milk jugs they were small and looked like a badminton birdie. Now the Reeds Silvertips at 1300fps mushroomed out. They looked a lot better. And for anyone who assumes i am badmouthing DT ammo, im not. Just reporting my observations.
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post April 8th 2007 2:28 AM
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QUOTE(Reyn @ Apr 7 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]46964[/snapback]

I know this is not a tell all test but when i have fired DT GDs out of my G20 into milk jugs they were small and looked like a badminton birdie. Now the Reeds Silvertips at 1300fps mushroomed out. They looked a lot better. And for anyone who assumes i am badmouthing DT ammo, im not. Just reporting my observations.


I have had similar experiences with feral dogs.
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post August 8th 2007 12:57 AM
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Link to pic(s) didn't work for me :(


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Two Winchester "white box" 230gr. JHPs, DT 200gr. XTP and DT 180gr. GD.

Recovered 10mm JHPs

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"White box" .45acp 230gr. JHP, DT 10mm 200gr. XTP and Speer 9mm 147gr. GD

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post December 3rd 2007 11:21 AM
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Great streamer. I can not believe I haven't seen this before. I have been a fan of STs for years. I shot one big coyote (about 70lbs). It penetrated the near side shoulder then anouther 15-18" of flesh/tissue. The round mushroomed out to almost .80 inches perfectly. Also I shot two deer (to put them down) one a complete pass through the neck. The other in the head after my buddy had shot it twice in the head with his G27 .40. loaded with federal hydra-shoks. Both bullets deflected off the skull and were found almost completely flat under the skin in the neck. I use to think this was due to the low velocity from the .40 in a short barrell. Now after reading this I think it was just piss poor shot angle. Thanks for all this info.


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Thanks for the thread turbo, great read!! Been shooting Silvertips since 1993 in my first Delta, don't see any reason not to carry them today in the G29.
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I've done a bit of deer hunting with a 44 magnum revolver and one of my reasons for buying a 10mm was having a 15 shot magnum-level gun that could do double duty. My 44 is a stomper on deer, but too heavy to carry alot for ccw. I carry the light 10mm 135 corbons for self defense but I'll be carrying deep penetrating rounds for hunting so I think folks need to consider that deep penetration is not always bad just as wide expansion is not always good. Use the load for the job and all will be well. bye1.gif
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I was wondering if you have tried the 135gr Corbon Pow R Ball ammo. The exploded when shot into water jugs. It seems they would have a great hydrostatic shock value. It would be interesting to see how they perform on a live target.
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QUOTE (Reyn @ Apr 7 2007, 09:50 PM) *
I know this is not a tell all test but when i have fired DT GDs out of my G20 into milk jugs they were small and looked like a badminton birdie. Now the Reeds Silvertips at 1300fps mushroomed out. They looked a lot better. And for anyone who assumes i am badmouthing DT ammo, im not. Just reporting my observations.


At 1300 FPS, it doesn't surprise me at all to see a GD turn inside-out. They are relatively "soft" bullets and work best at medium velocities. Loaded down a touch, and they will expand very widely.

I've seen pretty good expansion out of 155 grain ST bullets at .40 S&W velocities, and rather minimal expansion from XTPs.

I do trust the GDs to expand if cloth is in the way, though. I've had STs and XTPs fail to expand if the hollow point fills with cloth, but never seen that behavior from the GDs. Maybe they act similarly to a "soft point" in such a case?

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QUOTE (Maz2331 @ Aug 11 2008, 11:04 PM) *
At 1300 FPS, it doesn't surprise me at all to see a GD turn inside-out. They are relatively "soft" bullets and work best at medium velocities. Loaded down a touch, and they will expand very widely.

I've seen pretty good expansion out of 155 grain ST bullets at .40 S&W velocities, and rather minimal expansion from XTPs.

I do trust the GDs to expand if cloth is in the way, though. I've had STs and XTPs fail to expand if the hollow point fills with cloth, but never seen that behavior from the GDs. Maybe they act similarly to a "soft point" in such a case?


Like so many have said before, the 10mm really doesn't have any bullets DESIGNED for true 10mm velocities (other than maybe the XTP's). If we DID, I'm sure we'd really see some dramatic benefits from the velocities offered by DT, Georgia Arms, Buffalo Bore and Reed's Ammo. I would just LOVE that to happen.
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Darn!

I cannot see any of the pictures. The links send me to a GLOCKTALK link that states "Error".

I am a strong proponent of the 180 grain Hornady XTP loaded to 1150 FPS...and is what I load for my personal defense loads. (For practice I load Rainier Ballistic 180 grain SWC's & HP's at 1050 FPS).

At these velocities the recoil and flip is not overly obnoxious, the follow-up shots are at an acceptable speed, and accuracy is pretty good for the high-pressure, violently moving, 10mm round.

After reading this thread, I might bump it up a notch to 1180 FPS for my personal loads, which is what Hornady says it loads their bullets at.

Geesh...I'd sure like to see some pics of the recovered rounds.

Good thread!

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i couldnt view the old glocktalk links either, but i did find this!


http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1058371


looks like the Win STHP is the better round.

seems a 180ish grain bullet at 1250ish feet per second (Win STHP is 175gr. @ 1250 fps) is about the optimal in 10mm using todays bullet designs for self defense. i guess the DT gold-dot load would fair better if the 165 grainer was pushed at 1300 fps in stead of 1400!

i guess to get .40S&W +p+ rounds (which is 10mm ammo at its true design speed) you only need to speed up the .40S&W rounds another 200 fps.

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