Dude. Whoa.

Remember, I'm saying this as a friend, you've got issues buddy. Serious issues that will require years of therapy. Seek help. Please.

Better than your mutt M4gery... least you could eek more than 2 fps out of the round w/ a 20 inch barrel

Nothing wrong with a 20"bbl. Just not on that rifle, it needs to be a little more compact. And, there's nothing wrong with an A1, or an A2 rifle. But to start mixing stuff like that, that made baby Jesus cry.

bc

BC,

This is the biggest misconception going on at ARFCOM. 62 Grain is better off with 1:9 twist. You can read more about twist rate at the Ammo Oracle


1:12 twist rifles cannot stabilize SS-109/M855 bullets and 1:7 twist rifles are slightly less accurate with lighter bullets and will often blow apart the thin jackets of lightweight varmint bullets. The 1:7 twist is used by the military to stabilize the super-long L-110/M856 tracer bullet out to 800 yards, but unless your plans include shooting a significant amount of M856, the 1:9 twist rate is better suited for general use.

The fact is, the military uses 1:7 twist so the general public (couch commando) wants 1:7 twist. Once they have bought a 1:7 twist, they justify and say all other "Civilian" twist is no good. KNOW THE FACTS!!

I'm not saying one is better than the other....just know the facts and buy accordingly.

One more tid-bit.

Opinions (Pro and Con):

1:9 is best.
Why? Flexibility. It doesn't seem to have any problems throwing M856 tracers around, unless it gets really cold, it wears better than 1:7 and it stabilizes more rounds than 1:12. Additionally, 1:9 rifles, even Mil-Spec chrome chambered and barreled, can attain 1.0-2.0 MOA out to 300+ meters.

No, 1:7 and 1:8 are the best.
Why? Accuracy. For heavier and longer rounds during competition shooting, 1:8 and 1:7 twists are the best for heavy 77-80 grain rounds that I use to shoot competitively at 500-1000 meters. Who needs to shoot tracers anyhow? More importantly, heavier rounds are showing very good results in terminal testing and are proving to be much better defensive rounds.

I'm not saying the ammo - oracle is a source of all knowledge related to AR15 ammo. But they have sure done a lot more homework than the average smo.

That's it, when I do get around to getting an AR, it's gonna be an A1.5 w/ a Tango Down grip. Baby Jebus can cry and whine all he wants - all he needs is a teet to suckle on, or some mashed peas, and he's happy as a clam in the sand.

You're right.

Though I had a typo. It should've read 62+ grain ammo. Like the 77 grain OTM.

bc

I've always liked the A2 20" too. It's my favorite AR set-up. I don't care much for the A1's nor understand the appeal but to each his own. The M4gery is nice and compact but the 20" better suits my needs and demands.

The 1:9 is the most versatile and best for the general shooter that will put a large vareity of mid-weight bullets through his barrel. I do not like light-weight bullets and will not shoot any rounds below 60gr, but that's me. I also reload most of my .223/5.56.

I'm contemplating adding a compact ACOG to the rifle. I like the look of the compact models on the fixed carry handle.

bc

Captain Barred,

Your dealer may have gotten your lower today. I would check with them Monday if you haven't heard from them by then.

Jay

plan to bug them on Monday
No mail on Veterans Day, even if they got it today they had a big sale and were wicked busy, wouldnt have had time to unpack. thanks man, I'll post pics when I get it

So you ordered it from B&J's?
I bought my AK from them.
Damn, how far do you live from them where you can just stop in everyday?

This post has been edited by DirtyHarryCallahan: November 13th 2005 4:45 AM

nope, got it from Jay, transfer through B&Js
Im about 10 minutes away.

Jay gave me a kick-@$$ deal!!

Just trying to help out another brother on the board.

Jay

This is my 20" AR that I too like to keep plain and simple.
It has a RRA lower with a ArmaLite upper. I have to get rid of that muzzle brake and put a flash hider on it though.

That looks good, even with the brake.

bc

Yeah. You need something on the end of the barrel or it looks like something's missing. As soon as I get outta dodge I'll be putting an A2 flash hider and bayonet mount on it. I'm considering putting a lightweight(standard 20" chrome-lined, maybe 1:7) barrel on it too.

That swivel stud mount on the handguard is an interesting touch. What is it?

And CB, I know where you shop! MUAHAHAHA! bc)

Bipod mount?

bc

I wasn't talking about use. That's obvious. I'm pretty sure there's no need for a third sling swivel. I was asking about the product itself. I may consider getting one.

This post has been edited by DirtyHarryCallahan: November 13th 2005 11:24 PM