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September 3rd 2009 5:17 AM
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QUOTE (Rampy @ September 2nd 2009 10:38 PM)  Ahhh, that's the issue, according to the checkbook (Mrs Rampy) can't spend anything & I've got to "justify" the scope to the checkbook somehow....I know to get quality ya have to, thus the rub, I'm a gear whore and have a hard time settling for anything other than the best & thus want quality but at a cheap price.... http://www.bigrivertactical.com/Millett_Scopes.html has the Millett TRS-1 4-16X50 Illuminated Mil Dot for $299.95 and that will be much easier for the checkbook to swallow than a $600 scope, but the scope needs to be able to take some abuse and maintain a zero...... Rampy, Millet scopes are getting great reviews over at snipershide.com Guys love it and have abused the shat out of them too. I hate that funky ass big knob for the side focus so I have been sticking with the Super Sniper scopes. I had a 20 and 16 fixed, but traded my 6.8 with the 16 on it so Im down to one. 275-300 bucks aint to bad.
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September 3rd 2009 6:50 AM
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QUOTE (glock10mmman @ September 3rd 2009 1:17 AM)  Rampy,
Millet scopes are getting great reviews over at snipershide.com Guys love it and have abused the shat out of them too. I hate that funky ass big knob for the side focus so I have been sticking with the Super Sniper scopes. I had a 20 and 16 fixed, but traded my 6.8 with the 16 on it so Im down to one. 275-300 bucks aint to bad. Yep, been spending quite some time at snipers hide as well as at sniper's paradise and another long range forum lurking and learning, have sent a couple vendors e-mails asking about scopes & am waiting for a reply. Never realized exactly what all went into a commercial long distance shooters bag of tricks, dang impressive if you ask me!!! Think I'm going to order the Millett TRS-1 4-16X50 or at least that's the way I'm teetering as of right now....
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September 10th 2009 12:27 AM
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Found out Millett is made in China and has problems with QC & it's a crap shoot if you get a good one or not.........
Also found a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm Tactical Mil Dot reticle - Matte finish - Side parallax adjustment - Tactical turrets - One-piece 30mm tube - Rainguard - Fully multi-coated optics - Fingertip, audible & resettable adjustment - Elite Bullet-Proof Warranty for $599
Now I'm waffelling between the Nikon and the Bushnell & am thinking about going with the Bushy as it's a 2.5x16 power....
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September 12th 2009 2:01 AM
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QUOTE (Rampy @ September 9th 2009 8:27 PM)  Found out Millett is made in China and has problems with QC & it's a crap shoot if you get a good one or not.........
Also found a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm Tactical Mil Dot reticle - Matte finish - Side parallax adjustment - Tactical turrets - One-piece 30mm tube - Rainguard - Fully multi-coated optics - Fingertip, audible & resettable adjustment - Elite Bullet-Proof Warranty for $599
Now I'm waffelling between the Nikon and the Bushnell & am thinking about going with the Bushy as it's a 2.5x16 power.... 569.00 $ Delivered I own a 3-9x40 3200 on a 10/22 and it's a great scope. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy a new 6500 but haven't heard alot about them, but I'm out of the loop.
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September 12th 2009 3:27 AM
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QUOTE (Aahhyes68 @ September 11th 2009 8:01 PM)  569.00 $ Delivered I own a 3-9x40 3200 on a 10/22 and it's a great scope. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy a new 6500 but haven't heard alot about them, but I'm out of the loop. Dat's a good price
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September 12th 2009 12:14 PM
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I can't find the % of light transmission on the Bushnell's ? Have you seen it listed anywhere ?
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September 12th 2009 12:19 PM
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I have two 3200's and one 4200 and they are fantastic scopes. The Rainguard is terrific-works as advertised. The 4200 series has 95% light transmission. I would expect the 6500 to be as good or better. These scopes are made in Japan, not China and are as good as anything on the market, believe me.
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September 13th 2009 6:36 AM
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QUOTE (EvoPsych @ September 1st 2009 3:09 PM)  Frankly Rampy...You may be going for to high a powered glass for an 5,56 SPR. The reason people build SPR's is because it.s a dual purpose rifle. But then they often make the mistake of putting single purpose glass on it.
Honestly I'd think about spending another $75.00 and putting a 1.5x4x24 Trijicon on it. A 2.5-10x optic is perfect for that type of weapon. It is good for 1000 meter shots, yet can be used as quickly or quicker than an ACOG for CQB. A fixed 10x scope is a single-purpose optic, as is a reflex sight, and an ACOG is not far from it. A 2.5-10x optic makes a great dual-purpose optic. I have also been impressed with some of the current Burris optics as well. Nikons used to be a little on and off with glass qualtity - I think two different manufactures maybe, but I have heard they are much better in the last few years. Have not used one lately. I guess most optics have gotten better in the last 10 years or so.
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September 13th 2009 6:56 PM
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QUOTE (762precision @ September 13th 2009 12:36 AM)  A 2.5-10x optic is perfect for that type of weapon. It is good for 1000 meter shots, yet can be used as quickly or quicker than an ACOG for CQB. A fixed 10x scope is a single-purpose optic, as is a reflex sight, and an ACOG is not far from it. A 2.5-10x optic makes a great dual-purpose optic.
I have also been impressed with some of the current Burris optics as well. Nikons used to be a little on and off with glass qualtity - I think two different manufactures maybe, but I have heard they are much better in the last few years. Have not used one lately. I guess most optics have gotten better in the last 10 years or so. Have also been looking at the 3X12Burris Xtreme Tactical but don't know if they are worth the extra price....
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September 14th 2009 4:10 AM
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It would be easy for me to recommend expensive scopes, because most are good, but let's face it - most of us have multiple firearms and we have to compromise with what we can afford. Families to feed, mortgages, etc. all have priority. Fortunately we don't get the "You stupid moron, you didn't get the $5,000 Loopyniteforzeisswunderscope," comments here like we see on other forums. I am trying to set up a rifle for a goat hunt right now and trying to figure out how I will come up with the money for an optic. My advice is to look at what you will be using it for and get what is comfortably affordable. There are now pretty good options at almost every price level. I have been very impressed with the SightMark Triple-Duty scopes, for example - I never would have expected to be able to recommend a scopes in their price range. I am working on testing one of the Hawke SR scopes right now. I am impressed so far, but need to do a bit more testing (like mounting it on a rifle and shooting with it might be good  .) I should have a chance to shoot with it this week. They shipped it the same day I ordered it. The free software for the reticle is incredible - download it and play with it, it is cool. It is only available for PC, so I have to run it in Parallels, unfortunately. It makes a range chart for the reticle, and even a round one you can print, cutout, and put in your flip-up scope cover. I will post the review. After this I need to test one of their higher-end Japanese-built optics. You should have a look at what Hawke has to offer. Their margins are good, so if you want one, I should be able do a pretty good price, or your local dealer should have no problem setting up an account. Thanks, Dylan
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September 15th 2009 7:48 AM
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QUOTE (762precision @ September 13th 2009 11:10 PM)  It would be easy for me to recommend expensive scopes, because most are good, but let's face it - most of us have multiple firearms and we have to compromise with what we can afford. Families to feed, mortgages, etc. all have priority. Fortunately we don't get the "You stupid moron, you didn't get the $5,000 Loopyniteforzeisswunderscope," comments here like we see on other forums. I am trying to set up a rifle for a goat hunt right now and trying to figure out how I will come up with the money for an optic. My advice is to look at what you will be using it for and get what is comfortably affordable. There are now pretty good options at almost every price level. I have been very impressed with the SightMark Triple-Duty scopes, for example - I never would have expected to be able to recommend a scopes in their price range. I am working on testing one of the Hawke SR scopes right now. I am impressed so far, but need to do a bit more testing (like mounting it on a rifle and shooting with it might be good  .) I should have a chance to shoot with it this week. They shipped it the same day I ordered it. The free software for the reticle is incredible - download it and play with it, it is cool. It is only available for PC, so I have to run it in Parallels, unfortunately. It makes a range chart for the reticle, and even a round one you can print, cutout, and put in your flip-up scope cover. I will post the review. After this I need to test one of their higher-end Japanese-built optics. You should have a look at what Hawke has to offer. Their margins are good, so if you want one, I should be able do a pretty good price, or your local dealer should have no problem setting up an account. Thanks, Dylan Dylan, I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference.
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September 15th 2009 8:38 PM
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QUOTE (glock10mmman @ September 15th 2009 1:48 AM)  Dylan,
I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference. I agree. I had them send me the front focus because I am testing this one on a K31 rifle with clamp-on scope mount and a side focus knob could interfere with ejection. It also sort of requires no larger than a 1" tube and about a 40 mm objective at the largest. The next Hawke optic I test will be a Japanese-made one with side focus, illuminated reticle, and 30mm tube.
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September 15th 2009 8:57 PM
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QUOTE (glock10mmman @ September 15th 2009 3:48 AM)  Dylan,
I would love to hear about the review when your done. Reticle looks nice. I like the 18 power version. ONly thing I dont like is the front focus. Side focus is more my preference. I would like to know more about this scope as well. Some of the prices are pretty darn low considering the options that are available. I like the looks of a couple of different scopes in their line up. I have never heard of them before, how did you find out about this company?
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September 16th 2009 1:50 AM
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QUOTE (KENNYOHIOHUNTER @ September 15th 2009 2:57 PM)  I would like to know more about this scope as well. Some of the prices are pretty darn low considering the options that are available. I like the looks of a couple of different scopes in their line up. I have never heard of them before, how did you find out about this company? Read a review in a sniper publication and called the company. They are not new - they are a popular European company, but somewhat new in the American market. They have a reticle designed for shotgun and black powder coming out this fall that should be pretty cool. They are easy to talk to and have excellent terms for dealers. I'll post reviews.
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September 16th 2009 2:05 AM
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QUOTE (762precision @ September 15th 2009 9:50 PM)  Read a review in a sniper publication and called the company. They are not new - they are a popular European company, but somewhat new in the American market. They have a reticle designed for shotgun and black powder coming out this fall that should be pretty cool. They are easy to talk to and have excellent terms for dealers. I'll post reviews. Thanks for the information 762. I like optics, I do not claim to any type of expert but I do like learning about these things. From what I have seen they appear to be a well built optic with multiple options for various shooting needs. Do you happen to know if they build any first focal plane optics, I saw no mention of any on their site. Sorry Rampy, I do not wish to hi-jack your thread or get off of your subject but this is good food for thought on optic choices.
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September 16th 2009 2:53 AM
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QUOTE (KENNYOHIOHUNTER @ September 15th 2009 8:05 PM)  Sorry Rampy, I do not wish to hi-jack your thread or get off of your subject but this is good food for thought on optic choices. No problemo at all, the hijack has been good & Rampy is learning more aboout optics..
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September 16th 2009 4:58 AM
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QUOTE (KENNYOHIOHUNTER @ September 15th 2009 8:05 PM)  Thanks for the information 762. I like optics, I do not claim to any type of expert but I do like learning about these things. From what I have seen they appear to be a well built optic with multiple options for various shooting needs. Do you happen to know if they build any first focal plane optics, I saw no mention of any on their site. No FFP optics. Their philosophy is that you can get adjust how your reticle lines up with the particular bullet's trajectory by changing power, so you could carry a chart for trajectory at 10x and another for 18x. For another cartridge, optimal use of the reticle may be at 12x. I can see their point, but until I spend a bit of time with it, I can't tell you whether I would prefer a FFP optic over this. I will have screen shots to explain this more clearly when I do put the review together. I have a reticle design that I would like to have someone implement. I may approach these guys about it. I would want it to be A FFP optic, or the reticle would be too hard to use. Badkarma, why z-plex over a mildot reticle? I like the Zeiss optics. A lot.
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September 17th 2009 5:47 AM
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I just got the Super Sniper scope-deal-combo-extravaganza-package today. Its really nice I think that the mount is just a renamed Burris PEPR (whatever). Clear image nice strong scope, Mr. UPS dropped it down the van stairs, it still works no problems. Now I just need to order the (TAN) Tango Down Bipod and the (TAN) SOPMOD.
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September 17th 2009 6:15 AM
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QUOTE (Ithaqua @ September 16th 2009 11:47 PM)  I just got the Super Sniper scope-deal-combo-extravaganza-package today. Its really nice I think that the mount is just a renamed Burris PEPR (whatever). Clear image nice strong scope, Mr. UPS dropped it down the van stairs, it still works no problems. Now I just need to order the (TAN) Tango Down Bipod and the (TAN) SOPMOD.
Kadin Why did you decide to go with that package?? I've all but decided on the Bushnell 6500 2.5-16X42 mildot scope(wish it was a 44 instead of the 42) , but must admit the package deal you got also looks rather attractive & I've been reading some really good reviews about the new 3x9 SS scope by some rather knowledgeable glass guys....
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