Someone on this board sent me a link to a shooting involving Hydra Shoks, and TAP ammo. They had pretty serious penetration issues, the bullets pretty much just blew up on impact. Penetration was 2-3" IIRC, and there were some hits, that if there was adequate penetration, would have been fight-stoppers.

Anyway, we use Remington Express 55gr. Soft Point ammo for duty. It works, and it's met our standards. Our issue shotgun load is either Remington 00 buckshot, or Remington 1oz. slugs. After seeing what kind of spread is possible with even 00 buck, I only load slugs when the shotgun comes out.

7pm, 9/13 - it's available RIGHT NOW!!! $209.95 for 200 rounds!

I know, I should know by now, but how well should 75gr fire thru a 1:9, and a 1:7 barrel? Close up it shouldn't matter, right?


Smitty

Close up not it wont matter. 100 yards or so, the 75's will fly like a shotgun out of that 1-9. 1-7 is ideal for them

I thought that was right, just as I thought about it I convinced myself I was wrong.


Smitty

I plan on picking up a few boxes of the 75 gr. I have my 10.5 inch AR pistol with a 1/7 twist that Ill use them in.

A few months ago I was testing some Bullet Resistant Polycarb. It did well with the pistol ammo, but not so great against the Ar-15. But in all fairness, it wasn't designed for rifles...

The bottom hole was with a Hollow Point. The top hole was with TAP FPD 55 gr.

Here's the front side, where the bullet entered:





Here's picture of the back:





Now the profile:





You can see, the Tap did some massive damage on exit. Even the 1" x 4" oak board that was behind the BR Polycarb which holding it up lost about a chunk the size of a golf ball..

I have the TAP in my AR-15 for defense. From I learned that day, that bullet still may carry some distance after exit. So, may not be the best for home defense vs a shotgun, but it will do some severe damage.

This post has been edited by ConnRadd: September 21st 2009 11:57 PM

Ok, just know that you tested TAP FPD and not real TAP. TAP FPD is simply ballistic tip ammo. Lots of different brands that work as well or even better. If it was ballistic tip then I'd rather go with Black Hills.

If you want real TAP results then you want the red box, not the black box ballistic tip.

Real TAP is more like heavy match BTHP ammo in effect, not the ballistic tip effect.

Hornady is no longer making 55gr TAP 5.56 but the bullets were the same. The only difference was the powder charge. They make two versions of 55gr TAP .223 but they are the same. The 75gr TAP 5.56 and 75gr TAP FPD .223 are different rounds with different bullets. The 5.56 75gr TAP has a better bullet than the .223 75gr FPD.



TS

At the top of my thread, just before the pics, I posted that I used TAP FPD 55 gr. I just kept it simple by saying TAP vs TAP FPD 55 gr. on the rest of the post. I know there's a Black Box and Red Box, Red is for LEO and Black Box is for civies... But, it's not illegal for us civies to have the Red Box, but the manufacturers prefer not selling it to the public, and so on.... Just like the Ranger T's..

But after what TS posted, I guess it's a mute point...

Is there anywhere to purchase just the TAP FPD 55 gr. bullets for reloading?

A 55gr Hornady ballistic tip should do the trick.

This post has been edited by +Zeke+: September 22nd 2009 9:32 PM

Are you kidding me with this..................

That's the whole point! Your not trying to tickle them to death. Your trying to blow a hole in th em big enough so they wont ever get up again. Nukem:

Found this site when searching for wall penetration of 223. Testing seems solid enough and appears to have based their methodology off of the box o' truth website.

A couple different round types are tested including some TAP rounds.

The only thing I don't know that maybe someone here can answer is how would a 1:7 twist barrel potentially change this test? IE I think I've read/heard that shooting 40gr rounds from a 1:7 could be a no no.



This post has been edited by cc2001: October 15th 2009 5:24 PM

45gr shoots well out of my 1:7 and 1:8 barrels. They may over stabilize at distance but close in they act more or less like what they would in a 1:9 or 1:12.

The study didn't provide any information on what the ammo would do to a human.


TS

True. The way I'd do the study (assuming unlimited funds) would be with 3 setups with each setup having a ballistics gel "wall" between a different set of walls.
so first setup with gel between wall 1 and 2, second setup with gel between 2 & 3 and 3rd with gel behind the 3rd wall. I suppose you'd also want to see what the various rounds did to gel at the 5ft point blank range too.


I also wonder if replacing your interior sheetrock with something like this stuff model 530 some of which has a layer of steel (eventhough thin) would help cut down on penetration into adjoining rooms. Its not what its intended for but intuitively it should help for rounds that already have relatively limited penetration.

This post has been edited by cc2001: October 15th 2009 6:43 PM

Yeah. It's easy to criticize a study that someone else had to pay for. It is good info. I have both TAP and Remington 55gr soft point for home defense.



TS

Trying not to hog the thread, but this is of high interest to me.

Don't suppose anyone here has experience with Glaser Blue in .223? I'm curious about its effectiveness on a person vs its wall penetration. (This may actually be something I'd be willing to test in a few months, but it would have to be a single wall and a limited amount of gelatin. It would also depend if my local range would allow me to setup such a test.)

The rounds are kinda pricey, but I would only want 30-40 anyhow.

I never tried any Glaser because I thought it might be a gimmick, but it may work. Hogging the thread is no problem... we're discussing home defense ammo.



TS

I use my Mossberg 500 w/pistol grip loaded w/ 8 rounds of Remington 4x6 turkey loads. A shot to the guts with that load at 6-10 ft will leave a hole you could throw a basketball through

This post has been edited by Jasonfromfl: October 29th 2009 5:09 AM