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 July 11th 2011 12:47 PM
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BATF Classifies .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8SPC as Pistol Round
BATF and EA Recent Finding.
EA has had to remove our Trident bullets in .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. The BATF has ruled that all of these cartridges are now pistol cartridges. Since they are now pistol cartridges their construction now falls under the content and construction limitations of the 68 GAC and pistol cartridges.
Currently from other bullet makers like Barnes, solid .223 caliber bullets are still being manufactured and sold . We are working with our BATF IOI person to find out the following,
A) Is Barnes bullets and all other maker that constructs solid bullets in .223 going to have to stop.
B) If not then why do we have to stop since out basic shape and metallurgical content of our PFP bullets are the same as theirs?
C) Since they are now handgun caliber limited how does Magtech solid copper pistol bullets not fall under the 68 GAC as AP?
D) If Solid copper is not considered a violation of the 68 GAC in handgun bullets then it should also be not a violation of the 68 GAC to make EA’s PFP bullets from solid copper as Magtech does.
Those who have T6 ammunition and PFP bullets will be contacted by the BATF to recover any bullets or ammunition that have not been FIRED yet.
I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully we can get this matter straightened out one way or another.
Jay Wolf
Pr. Elite Ammunition
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July 11th 2011 12:58 PM
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That suks. What a can of worms to open up.
I would love to see the answers to your questions from ATF officials.
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July 11th 2011 1:05 PM
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Wait...what??  Pistol rounds?
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July 11th 2011 1:40 PM
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So in their infinite (or idiotic) wisdom the BATF is saying the the US Military is using submachine guns for their combat rifles and squad automatic weapons? WTF ever!!!!!
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July 11th 2011 2:34 PM
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Got a link?
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July 11th 2011 2:40 PM
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QUOTE (12131 @ July 11th 2011 1:34 PM)  Got a link? No the ATF swat team did not give my anything other then a search warrant.
This post has been edited by panzermk2: July 11th 2011 2:40 PM
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July 11th 2011 2:46 PM
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QUOTE (panzermk2 @ July 11th 2011 2:40 PM) No the ATF swat team did not give my anything other then a search warrant. Wow that sucks BAD
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July 11th 2011 2:53 PM
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Serenity now damnit!!!
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QUOTE (panzermk2 @ July 11th 2011 3:40 PM) No the ATF swat team did not give my anything other then a search warrant. Are you serious? You were essentially raided?
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July 11th 2011 3:06 PM
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QUOTE (FinFan77 @ July 11th 2011 2:53 PM) Are you serious? You were essentially raided? thats crazy , all i can say is vote for Rick Perry if he runs .......
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July 11th 2011 3:27 PM
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I don't get this. QUOTE BATF Classifies .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8SPC as Pistol Round Are you saying they raided you, or whatever, and told you this? Makes no sense. If they are reclassifying these as pistol rounds, there got to be some kind of press release. More to the story.
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July 11th 2011 3:41 PM
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FATALITY!!!
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How fuzzed up is that?
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July 11th 2011 5:14 PM
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If it's all .223 ammo that they want then i smell a boating accident in my future.
oops misread the post
This post has been edited by igun3g: July 11th 2011 5:17 PM
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July 11th 2011 5:17 PM
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QUOTE (12131 @ July 11th 2011 2:27 PM) I don't get this.
Are you saying they raided you, or whatever, and told you this? Makes no sense. If they are reclassifying these as pistol rounds, there got to be some kind of press release. More to the story. Don't have to make sense. Unelected Batfu officials makes the rules on a whim and are accountable to nobody. They can decide anytime what is legal and not.  They raid who they want, when they want.
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July 11th 2011 6:29 PM
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So the trident bullets are solid ? Some special radioactive material ? WTF. Makes me want to order more ammo...sonofabastige'es.
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July 11th 2011 8:46 PM
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Obama said himself that if he couldn't take away firearms, he'd take away the bullets. Here we go.
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July 11th 2011 9:45 PM
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WTF? When did this happen?
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July 11th 2011 10:08 PM
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What is the deal with reclassifying bullets? Is there a law regarding how bullets can be made or sold?
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July 11th 2011 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Gmountain @ July 11th 2011 8:08 PM) What is the deal with reclassifying bullets? Is there a law regarding how bullets can be made or sold? I believe it has something to do with it now bering armor piercing handgun ammunition.
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July 11th 2011 10:42 PM
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I hate ATF.
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Fuzz them right up the brown eye
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