Apparently I am an evil person for profiting from camouflaging rifles & pistols or refinishing them in any color other than black. Yes this includes OD green, Coyote brown, Dark Gray or any other two tone or single color.

I Had a call from a susposed F.O.P. Faternial Order of Police represenative today about "painting guns to look like toys". It started with why I paint guns pink (which we dont, there is even a statement on our policies page about making a live weapon resemble an inert one) and went in to how the camo rifles will get LEO's hurt because they will mistake them for a toy. Apparently there is a "WARNING" email message with a link to our website, floating around that we are selling assault weapons & Glock type pistols that look like toys, (We dont sell firearms, just refinish them & there arent even any refinished Glocks displayed on our website) apparently they only consider "black" guns to be safe and camo is evil, "it should be outlawed". And even stated that anyone who has or wants a camo gun is a sicko (dont think I spelled it right).

So if my business is to do custom firearms refinishing (which makes me evil) & I have some of my own rifles in camo (which makes me a sicko) am I a evil sicko or is sicko covered under the evil statute? When I ask him this he became offended by my making lite of this serious situation. When I ask if it wouldnt be safer to make all firearms blaze orange so they are easier to see he said "no" they are susposed to be black.

When I ask if color coding dedicated non lethal weapons systems was ok to FOP. He stated "Absolutely Not" "If they fell into the wrong hands they would get cops killed". Now I did some LEO duty in my time and correct me if I'm wrong but if a Dept has trouble keeping track of its weapons isnt there a bigger problem than what color they are? As in mabey a huge physical security problem. At about this point in the conversation he wasnt liking where our conversation was going. Thats when he said I was an evil person for profiting from putting officers at risk. Then when I ask if he could fax or email us a copy of his book buring list so we could mail some to him COD and he hung up.


The worst part is no one researched any of this, if anyone would have actually read our policies page about coating a "operational firearm or any part of an operational weapon to resemble an inert one" (I have had that policy since day one, mainly so we arent liable if someone accidently picks up an inert appearing gun & shoots someone).

Has anyone actucally seen this email or can you forward me a copy of it to: info@larsontactical.com.

Joe

You have to be kidding, if that was from the F.O.P. I would be very suprised, I think it was some liberal asshat just messing with you.

I'm curious about this supposed F.O.P. representative.

Was he saying that his opinions was that of the F.O.P. are his own personal opinions?

Did he give his full name and number to his own phone or number to the F.O.P. so you can further discuss this matter? Because that would be the way a professional organization would operate.

If he did leave his name, I would contact the F.O.P. and confiirm if this person named so-and-so is an actual representative of F.O.P. and find if their reps would be calling businesses like yours complaining of what you do.

I saw something similar, it was worded as a "weapon warning". I'll grab it next time I go in to the dept, and scan you a copy. I immediately ignored it, as it appeared to be anti-gun BS on the face. I didn't see any particular business mentioned. I did notice that it was sent by VPC, however.

He said he was a Rep for FOP. The email is real a buddy from the hide brought it to my attention. Dosent piss me off. My LEO sales have tripled since it started circulating.

Joe

You should send VPC an e-mail, thanking them for the extra business. Maybe ask them for a little warning the next time, so that you can hire more help.

asshat! (look it may be inert)

http://www.grandlodgefop.org/newsinfo/FNhandgun.html

Accurate Information About a New Type of Handgun

The National Legislative Office was advised of and asked to look into reports that a new handgun, the FN 5.7 manufactured by FN Herstal of Belgium, is capable of firing rounds that penetrate soft body armor.

The Brady Campaign United, with the Million Mom March (formerly Handgun Control, Inc.), is organizing media events in which claims about the power of this new handgun may be exaggerated. The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP), the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives (NOBLE) and the International Brotherhood of Police Officers (IBPO) recently participated in a press conference about this new weapon.

At the event, the Brady Campaign claims to have purchased this handgun and ammunition at a retail gun dealer and test fired it, whereupon it "successfully penetrated a police Kevlar vest."

The FN 5.7 has been approved by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) and has been approved for importation into the United States, but the classification of all ammunition is governed by the definitions in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(17)(B). As with any other firearm, the weapon itself is not the determining factor in whether or not a round can pierce body armor.

The BATF has posted information about this new handgun and the ammunition it is capable of firing on their website: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm.

According to this information, the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) has examined a round designated as "SS196," and found it to be not armor piercing ammunition under Federal firearms law.

According to FNH USA (the U.S. branch of FN Herstal), the parent company tested a round designated as "SS192" ammunition, which did not penetrate Level IIIA vests. However, FNH USA has stated that SS192 ammunition is no longer imported for commercial sale to the United States and that commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196 round.

The BATF has posted the information below on the aforementioned website regarding the types of ammunition that the FN 5.7 is capable of firing. Rounds designated with an (AP) are armor-piercing rounds and are therefor illegal to possess or sell in the United States.


SS190 Armor piercing (AP)
SS191 AP Tracer
SS192 Hollow Point (not AP)
SB193 AP Subsonic
SS195 "Green" lead free hollow point projectile with copper jacket (not AP)
SS196 Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V max, hollow point lead) (not AP)
10700004 Blank (not classified as ammunition under Federal law)
10700005 Dummy

As with any other contraband item, it is possible that there are a limited number of these illegal armor-piercing rounds that were illegally obtained or imported.

The F.O.P. will continue to monitor developments on this new firearm and other ballistic technologies to ensure that we are the very first to know about potential threats to law enforcement officers.

Remember--ANY weapon in the hands of a criminal is potentially lethal!!!





©1997-2005 Fraternal Order of Police, Grand Lodge

________________________________________________________________________________


I've read in various publications the FOP is pro guncontrol. I briefly looked over their website for a stance, and found the above. I would advise a call to the NRA or similar orginization for clarification. I think I might just do that this coming Monday.

I'm sorry for laughing.

You're a cop. What you gonna do confuse a badguy?

Afterall we do want badguys to have an even chance in a gunfight............NOT!

If you refinished firearms to look like popsicles or candy canes or Disney characters or Pooh bears...yeah, that would be a problem. "Hey kids, FUN WITH GUNS". Yeah, I'm figuring it's some kind liberal BS.

So, do we like the FN 5.7? I think it's been discussed here before. Aren't there plenty of hanguns that chamber cartridges that are "armor piercing"? But anyway...can you in fact get the so-called armor piercing rounds for the FN? Not for myself, I have this friend....

BTW, did you mean "evil sicko" or "evil psycho"?

He said "sicko" I probably didnt spell it right.

Hell I'm not mad about it, anyone who actually can read can see that we arent doing anything wrong or even remotely dangerous for LEO's. My LEO sales have tripled since it began circulation. Especially for Department Weapons. This is the best advertising I have ever gotten. My phone has been rining off the wall.

Well.

Speaking of that no rest for the wicked, I gotta get back at it.

You all take care

Joe

This post has been edited by Enforcer22: February 26th 2006 5:07 PM

what an asshat. I'll check our FOP board at work and see if there is anything there.

send him a real pistol and a fake one and paint them the same and see if he can tell the difference. then ask whats the problem. I think it has more to do with the eye of the LEO. also the last time i checked any time a Law Enforcement Officer sees a gun doesnt he treat it like a real one? hmmmm some one needs to get punched in the face. maybe a punch is over the top. just laugh it off and keep doing what your doing, after all, what other income is gonna support your family.

This post has been edited by chubbs88: October 29th 2009 5:07 AM

I thought NYPD was visiting and harassing?
What about the pink and lavender frame one company is producing.
I used to support the FOP but they are now another politically driven group more worried about an agenda than public service.
Maybe Bloombuggerer should count his cash and let us do our thing. Though most of us can do great harm we try to avoid going there. Mostly we tend to try to do more good and service for others.

We do not cause great harm brother, we lead others from harms way

what does it matter when they are selling realistic firearms that are toys, and knowing that there are guns out that that look like toys (i recently seen one that folds up to look like a briefcase it is safe to assume that if someone has a item that resembles a firearm it should be treated as such??

This is exactly right. I've seen real guns where a dirtbag has painted the end of the barrel orange, or the front of the slide orange. I've also seen airsoft guns where the idiot painted over the orange tip with black.

If someone points something at me that looks like a gun, no matter the color, I will respond to their action as if it's a real weapon.