Here's a topic with no real world worth, but I'd still appreciate your participation.
In my years with the 10mm (I started in '92) I've used a lot of different brass and upon getting another load of it in a swap, I saw a couple new pieces I've not yet ever seen before.

There are cartridge collectors and compiled lists of differing head stamps and their origins, but what I'd like to see is a complete list of every headstamp we've yet seen on 10mm brass. In fact, I'd love to have a list of every factory loading that's ever been available, but so many are long gone and out of production that it would be a tough list to compile.

This list should be a bit easier... all you have to do to add to the list is look at your brass and tell me what you see on there.

I'm going to start with what I have in my supply and there simply has to be more out there, but I'm not putting it on this list until I've seen it, or YOU post that you have it or know for sure that it exists.

What will this accomplish? Nothing! But what the heck. If you have no interest, no biggie.
If I have missed some already compiled list, please link me to it!

• Winchester (brass & nickel)
• R-P (Remington) (brass & nickel)
• FC (Federal) (brass & nickel
• *---* (Starline) (brass only)
• PMC (Eldorado) (brass only)
• ELD (Eldorado) (nickel only)
• Midway (brass only)
• Double Tap (nickel only)
• Pro-Load (brass & nickel)
• Hornady (brass only)
• Hornady (10mm, no "auto") (brass only)
• 3D-Impact (brass only)
• norma (brass only)
• KSP (??- Kentucky State Police? Help!) (nickel only)

It seems that either Buffalo Bore or Cor-Bon (or both) are using someone else's head stamp... likely Starline, but I can't confirm. And way back in the 90's, I bought some re-man Black Hills, but it was all common and mixed head stamp. (I don't think they offer a 10mm load these days.) Anyone know what Georgia Arms uses for their canned heat ammo?

Also, notice that I put down both brass & nickel for Winchester -- who else has seen nickel plated Winchester 10mm brass? If I had to guess, I would suggest perhaps the old Black Talon ammo came in nickel? Point is this-- in all these years, I just came in to TWO pieces of nickel plated Winchester brass, the first two pieces I've ever seen. So it's not common stuff. Anyone know where it came from?

And the "KSP" brass, that's only my guess since the Kentucky State Police were one of the largest groups ever issued 10mm pistols as duty weapons, I thought it might be possible that they had custom brass for training... but I don't really know this, so I would like to hear from anyone who does, or who has other theories.

PLEASE look at your brass and add what you can to this list!

Good list Sevens!
10mm Black Talon was indeed loaded with Winchester nickel plated brass. I have a few boxes.... so good guess!

Blazer is now making brass cases but I don't recall seeing any in 10mm...just the berdan primed aluminum cases.

Another company, HSM (Hunting Shack munitions), makes 10mm. Both a 180 grain Full Metal Jacket New Brass and a 10mm 180 grain Jacketed Hollow Point with new components.
HSM uses all brand names, but do not know what is used in their 10.

I still have about 500 virgin Winchester nickel plated 10mm cases in my stash. I've been necking them down to 9x25 Dillon, since they last better than the virgin Norma 10mm brass I have. The Norma sometimes splits in the necking process, and usually after 1 or 2 firings, whereas the Winchester nickel hasn't split one case in necking, and usually lasts about 5 or 6 firings in 9x25 Dillon.

Of the roughly 10,000 rounds of 10mm brass I have on hand, the majority is F-C, with a mix of just about everything else on your list.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Out of roughly 10k, there's nothing in there that isn't already on my list?!
Makes me think I have one sample of every head stamp that's yet been made in 10mm.
No way could I have every example already.

And TaosGlock, I must be a goof. My G29 came with two of those blasted aluminum Blazer pieces, I don't know how I could have forgotten those.

Good stuff guys.

Now we need more folks to chime in with variations!

Here is a thread on Fiocchi 10mm:
http://www.ar15armory.com/forums/Fiocchi-1...mmo-t44646.html

And Elite Ammo:
http://eliteammunition.com/productDisplay.php?id=EA10MM
One of our members, panzermk2, here makes this!

The thread has sorta migrated to loaded ammo...sorry.

No problem if it migrates. It's all relevant, so it's all good. I'd love to see a compiled list of every factory 10mm ammo ever offered, but that would take some serious thumbing through old magazines and maybe looking through old boxes at gun shows. Still, that would be an interesting research project.

The Elite Ammo uses Starline brass, so no addition there.

The Fiocchi discussion link you sent HAD a picture two years ago, now it's a broken link.
I found the Fiocchi website online and they no longer catalog a 10mm round anywhere in their lineup. It's a pretty good lineup, and some real oddballs and euro flavors on there, but NO 10mm.

Still, sounds like they DID make it, so I'm keeping eyes peeled for Fiocchi or G.F.L. brass in 10mm, and/or waiting for confirmation from anyone who has seen it.

KSP, is in fact, Kentucky State Police. I still have a few boxes downstairs.

Very cool! Can you tell me more about them?

As in, who built the ammo? How is it packaged? (pictures?) What's the bullet style and weight? Was it intended to be officer training ammo or carry ammo or both, or are there more than one style?

And where/how did you get it? Former or current KSP? If either, did you get a chance at buying your duty weapon? (I know some are seen on the used market)

Is it all nickel plated brass?

Do you have an empty box that you'd part with, or is it REALLY plain?

Have I asked enough questions?

I am out of town at the moment.

I will post pictures of the boxes when I get home, I have some of the practice ammo and the carry ammo.

It is all nickle plated.

I can't really say how I got it. The KSP went all .40Glock, so that they had ammo/magazine compatability in issue weapons. Some officers had ammo that was then useless to them if they didn't buy their duty weapon....

I'm neither current or former KSP.

KSP officers did in fact have the opportunity to buy their weapon.

As I remember the boxes are marked "Master Ammunition"

Ok, back home again...

It would appear I have shot up all the practice ammo I had, and the boxes have been filled with reloads, so some "defacing" of the box has occured. I have a couple boxes of carry ammo left, those boxes all just look ratty, I think they spent a lot of time in a trunk... But I put the best of them up to take a picture.
Here are three pictures some with more or less glare, etc, some of the box detail showing as best I could.

Note the service ammo is marked "NEW" and the practice ammo boxes were not, and the "KSP" stamp. Also note the black silouetes on the carry ammo, and white on practice, they are consistent that way.








This post has been edited by maypo59: October 22nd 2009 1:08 AM

HEY! Took me a couple of day to get back here.

Thanks a heap for taking the time to take these pics and post them. This is very interesting stuff.
And if WE don't make some record of here in these forums, who on earth will?!

Great, great stuff.

Now I have to go and do a little snooping to find out more about "Master" brand ammo. I have heard of it, but not in a good long while. I'm guessing they are defunct.

Again, I appreciate your addition.
Here's hoping we see some more added to this thread.

My hornady says "10mm AUTO" on it.

BoomerG20

Yep, and I've now seen two versions of Double Tap-- most of it says 10mm Auto, but some of it simply says 10mm.

Right now I using some ELD brass casings for my first reloading attempt

Brass, like yellow... not nickel plated?
I've got some but only in nickel. I would bet they were originally PMC Starfire ammo.

This is off-topic (well, off topic for 10, but on topic for brass head stamps.)

Came home from the state run ODNR range with a few pieces of .38 Special and after tumbling and sorting this evening... I found one piece of .38 that is Super Vel !!

I've read about it, heard about it, know about it... but never seen one.

I think it's pretty cool. Kind of the original "hot load" from back in the day.

They are brass and clearly marked as ELD , I've added a pic

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mortech1234/4108650072/

Here is a little history on PMC/El Dorado "ELD"
http://www.afte.org/ExamResources/gallery2...01/PMC.jpg.html

PMC
Eldorado Cartridge Corporation
P.O. Box 62508
Boulder City, NV 89006-2508

The original parent company, a U.S. corporation registered in Delaware, was founded in the late 1970's in New York as Patton Morgan Corporation. It began operations by importing military style small arms ammunition and .22 rimfire ammunition manufactured in South Korea. The ammunition was sold then, as it still is, under the registered brand name "PMC Ammunition", and the original slogan, "Precision Made Cartridges" has never changed.

Several years later, the company moved to Los Angeles, California, and its name was changed to Pan Metal Corporation. In addition to its ammunition business, the company also dealt in other facets of the metals business. Early in the 1980's, the increasingly successful ammunition line was expanded to include hunting (soft point) cartridges in the rifle calibers, and hollow points in the handgun ammunition.

In 1988, factory facilities were purchased near Boulder City, Nevada, for the production of ammunition to supplement the Korean imports, and for the purpose of producing two new lines of high performance cartridges. These were the Starfire handgun ammunition for law enforcement and home and personal defense, and X-Bullet rifle ammunition for big game hunting, which were introduced to the market in late 1991. In 1996, shotgun shells were added to the line.

The factory is operated under the name Eldorado Cartridge Corporation, and is a subsidiary of Pan Metal Corporation.

Today, the company's continuously expanding small arms ammunition product selection includes a full line of centerfire rifle and pistol ammunition, rimfire ammunition, shotgun shells, and reloading components. Recently, a new company known as B.C. Outdoors was incorporated and became a part of the "Eldorado Cartridge Corporation Group of Companies." B.C. Outdoors imports the Verona line of quality superposed shotguns from Italy. The company's stated purpose, like that of Eldorado Cartridge Corporation, is "to provide high quality outdoor products to its customers at a reasonable price."

During its more than two decades of ammunition production and sales, PMC Ammunition has become very well known in the United States and other countries of the world as a source of high quality small arms cartridges. The firm is now considered the fourth largest ammunition company in the United

Great info!

It doesn't really specifically say if they still make some ammo in the U.S. -- as far as I've seen, Starfire ammo hasn't been available for a number of years. But then again... I'm a reloader, and when it comes to factory fodder, I'm often living under a rock.

I do recall that PMC Starfire was an early player on the 10mm factory ammo scene.
I always keep a spot in my heart for the companies that helped push the 10mm to where it... uhhh... was, or is, or should have been... or one day might be... or, whatever!

Looks like it's Georgia Arms..

Linky

good to know I guess.