I am a dumb-ass....

I recently bough a Remy 870 for about $250. Just bought a 18 in barrel for $100, it should be in next week.


Last night I was flipping through a CDNN mag and saw they have Charles Daly Pump shottys with 18.5in shottys for $180!!!

Shoulda bought one of them!

dumbass!

Things like that always happen to me.

What's the difference between a CD and the 870?

Are they built the same with dual rails and such?

Don't want to be dissing on CD, but the 870 is a tried and true design with tons of ways to customize em.

There are def more aftermarket parts for the 870. that is true. but for a planned home defense gun thats gunna sit in the closet...

ah well... live and learn...

This post has been edited by captainbarred: November 26th 2008 11:45 PM

CB >>> <<<< US

I think you are better off with the Remington. If nothing else, it is made in the USA, while Charles Daly is not.

I'm not going to put down the 870 here, as it is one of the great American shotguns with millions having been sold over the years. Truly a great gun.

However, I'm always curious about the "Made in US" sticker and what it means to the American consumer.

As an importer, the bulk of our products are made overseas and have been for over 30 years. We were importing long before it became fashionable to be a part of the "global" economy. Our goal was, and continues to be, to bring the best value in a sproting firearm to the American consumer. I always felt that in a free market, whoever builds the right product at the right price, will get the business.

Now that we are building some of our product line here in the US (our CD Defense line of AR-15 rifles), I can see that it does mean a lot to the US consumer. But it also is not everything to the US consumer. Each month, Glock (Austria), Springfield XD (Croatia) and Taurus (Brazil) sell over 100,00 handguns in the US. That is each month! Add the other imports, just in handguns, from Sig, H&K, Beretta, Browning, Walther, Magnum Research, Charles Daly, Rossi, etc., and you can see that the American consumer is happy to purchase firearms made in countries around the world. The same applies in long guns with Anschutz, Beretta, Browning, Mossberg, CZ, Remington, New England, Savage/Stevens, S&W, Weatherby, Tikka, Sauer, Winchester, etc., and you see that the bulk of firearms sold in the US are made outside the US. Only one major manufacturer is completely made in the US, and that is Ruger. So again, obvioulsy, the American consumer is quite comfortable purchasing firearms from around the world.

Yes, Charles Daly shotguns are not made in the US. But that is nothing for us to be ashamed of. On the contrary, the US producer gets the business when he deserves it and the foreign maker gets the business when they deserve it. That's how my "free market" eyes see it.

I'm curious what others have to say on the subject.

This post has been edited by Charles Daly: November 27th 2008 11:02 AM

I see the whole "Buy domestic" argument as too convoluted these days...

you have "domestic" Ford and GM with the rich CEOs in the US and the factories in Mexico so a select few in the US get rich and have jobs.

then you have "foreign" Toyota and Honda with Rich CEOs in Japan and the factories in the US giving the US public jobs.

By having a business based in the U.S. you get the potential for decent customer support and with good QA if a product is made oversees it can save the buyer some money and still be a good item, like the CD shotguns.

I dunno, I don't pretend to be real knowledgeable of the world economy, but everything is getting so convoluted...

For me it's not the made in USA aspect. I've owned 5 or 6 870's over the years and they were all solid 100% trustworthy performers.

Are there any reviews of the CD 12ga pump by LE or others that rely on a tough combat shotgun for day to day use?

This is probably more of a hurdle to overcome than the made in USA aspect.

It would take a hell of a shotgun and some fantastic reviews to make me choose a branded import over a 870 or 500/590...regardless of the price.

And for the record....I'm not a huge fan of Remington overall due to their inconsistent CS......

This post has been edited by VTD: November 27th 2008 12:29 PM

Well, guys, to each his own. I wont say how many guns I own, but I will tell you that I have exactly one gun that is not made in the USA.

NAFTA --I will always remember what Ross Perot said during his presidential run-"if we sign the NAFTA agreement the next sound you will hear is the big sucking sound of jobs going out of the US.